Russia/Ukraine

[Redwurzel]

We have discussed Crimea before, its comprises of 60% ethnic Russians and 20% Tartars also Russia's largest warm water naval base.

Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe elections run by the United Nations in Crimea would be the fairest way to decide who should run Crimea. Russia did annex the country in 2014 and run elections, where arouynd 95% voted to be part of Russia, but of course there are serious doubts about the management of the elections. I think UN oversaw the elections but did not manage the whole process.

I want core Ukraine to be fully independent and free from war, but something has to be negotiated or the war will go on and on.

If Putin was Hitler he would have probably used nuclear weapons by now or bigger missiles than the drones. I won't paste up Operation Barborossa in June 1941 when the Soviet Union was invaded by German and its allies, but it was on a massive scale, 3.8m Germans, Romanians, Finns later joined by Italians, Spanish etc. It showed how Hitler did business in the East and its left a deep psychologiacal and emotional legacy which Putin does use.

 

[UgoAfro]

We have discussed Crimea before, its comprises of 60% ethnic Russians and 20% Tartars also Russia's largest warm water naval base.

Glad to see you included your sauce.

 

[theboydom]

We have discussed Crimea before, its comprises of 60% ethnic Russians and 20% Tartars also Russia's largest warm water naval base.

Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe elections run by the United Nations in Crimea would be the fairest way to decide who should run Crimea. Russia did annex the country in 2014 and run elections, where arouynd 95% voted to be part of Russia, but of course there are serious doubts about the management of the elections. I think UN oversaw the elections but did not manage the whole process.

I want core Ukraine to be fully independent and free from war, but something has to be negotiated or the war will go on and on.

If Putin was Hitler he would have probably used nuclear weapons by now or bigger missiles than the drones. I won't paste up Operation Barborossa in June 1941 when the Soviet Union was invaded by German and its allies, but it was on a massive scale, 3.8m Germans, Romanians, Finns later joined by Italians, Spanish etc. It showed how Hitler did business in the East and its left a deep psychologiacal and emotional legacy which Putin does use.

"I want core Ukraine to be fully independent and free from war, but something has to be negotiated or the war will go on and on."
Well until Putin changes the starting point of his demands we'll all be waiting and warring as he doesn't want a core Ukraine fully independent and free

 

[TeessideCleveland]

Back to 1991 borders would be a fair place to start - then negotiate the return of Bilhorod to Ukraine , and freedom for the people of Konigsberg
Putins death soon after it sees all that

 

[Mwelolo]

Ukraine war latest: UK govt criticises 'reckless' Russia - and rejects Putin's response to plane crash

Vladimir Putin has spoken to Azerbaijan's president about the plane crash and apologised as the "tragic incident" took place in Russian airspace. Russia has accused UK and US spies of trying to provoke attacks against Russia's military bases in Syria to force their evacuation.

news.sky.com

Surely Biden can’t be thinking about giving them nukes?

 

[Nero80]

Definitely cannot see biden doing that. Id be astounded if he did.
Didn't Putin put some in Belarus?

 

[Muttley]

Ukraine war latest: UK govt criticises 'reckless' Russia - and rejects Putin's response to plane crash

Vladimir Putin has spoken to Azerbaijan's president about the plane crash and apologised as the "tragic incident" took place in Russian airspace. Russia has accused UK and US spies of trying to provoke attacks against Russia's military bases in Syria to force their evacuation.

news.sky.com

Surely Biden can’t be thinking about giving them nukes?

I seem to remember that Ukraine actually manufactured some of the nukes for the old USSR so they probably have the expertise to create them themselves?

 

[The_Big_Woodowski]

I seem to remember that Ukraine actually manufactured some of the nukes for the old USSR so they probably have the expertise to create them themselves?

Ukraine give up there Nukes on the promise of Putin and the collective West would protect them if needed.

 

[borolad259]

Ukraine give up there Nukes on the promise of Putin and the collective West would protect them if needed.

They can be a nuclear power under their own steam very quickly, if required.
Let's hope they won't need to do it.

More critical things are happening in the Baltic at this moment.

 

[Mwelolo]

I seem to remember that Ukraine actually manufactured some of the nukes for the old USSR so they probably have the expertise to create them themselves?

There is much speculation about what position Ukraine are in to do this and how long it would take them.

 

[Mwelolo]

MSN

Interesting

 

[theboydom]

MSN

Interesting

As interesting as his last one?
Orbans first tour in July

 

[Mwelolo]

As interesting as his last one?
Orbans first tour in July

Time will tell.

 

[Mwelolo]

Ukraine’s exhausted troops in Russia told to cling on and wait for Trump https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4x9gz4ylwo

A very stark picture.

 

[Mwelolo]

Russia races ahead of NATO in arms production for Ukraine war: Report

A new SIPRI study lays bare how NATO is unable to turn spending power into firepower in a crisis.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Mwelolo]

Donald Trump calls for Vladimir Putin to reach 'immediate' settlement with Ukraine

Mr Trump urged Russia and Ukraine to "stop the madness", saying "negotiations should begin". He has also reaffirmed domestic plans for mass deportation and January 6 pardons.

news.sky.com

As far as I can see this is the only chance of seeing an end to this nearly three year stalemate with disturbing potential for catastrophic escalation.

 

[Soutra]

, and freedom for the people of Konigsberg
Putins death soon after it sees all that

Freedom for Kaliningrad? Freedom from what? The people of Kaliningrad are overwhelmingly Russian. All the Germans were killed or forced out. Kaliningrad is Russia's only ice free Baltic port so I don't see them surrendering that in a hurry. And with the exclave sitting there between Poland, Lithuania and Belarus, and much closer to the west, it's a constant source of worry for NATO, which Putin loves.

 

[TeessideCleveland]

Freedom for Kaliningrad? Freedom from what? The people of Kaliningrad are overwhelmingly Russian. All the Germans were killed or forced out. Kaliningrad is Russia's only ice free Baltic port so I don't see them surrendering that in a hurry. And with the exclave sitting there between Poland, Lithuania and Belarus, and much closer to the west, it's a constant source of worry for NATO, which Putin loves.

They overwhelmingly wish to not be part of Russia

 

[TeessideCleveland]

it's a constant source of worry for NATO, which Putin

Yes I agree

 

[theboydom]

Donald Trump calls for Vladimir Putin to reach 'immediate' settlement with Ukraine

Mr Trump urged Russia and Ukraine to "stop the madness", saying "negotiations should begin". He has also reaffirmed domestic plans for mass deportation and January 6 pardons.

news.sky.com

As far as I can see this is the only chance of seeing an end to this nearly three year stalemate with disturbing potential for catastrophic escalation.

What can you see though? All I can see is Trump repeating that the only person who can stop this is Putin, which is what everyone was saying from before he even invaded...