Russia / NATO in April 2022

Sadly Kyiv will ultimately fall and Russia will have “won” but at what Cost and be a pariah state.

Forever stained by their actions.

Nato is too strong and even Putin knows it
 
allied_assault said:
Putin won’t stop at Ukraine zorro
He will want to expand so any countries not in NATO will be targeted
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I agree, providing the people, his oligarchs and soldiers continue to back him that is. Once sanctions really, really bite, people will turn on him. However, It would not surprise me to see China eventually intervene if his own people don’t.
 
Yeah, surely Finland Has to join Nato when Ukraine falls? We need a full barrier against further Western Expansion. The question is what do we do about the other expansions? Such as the gradual erosion of Georgia by Russia slowly moving the border?
 
Zoophonic said:
Only 6% of Russia’s land borders touch NATO countries. Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Only five of them are NATO members.
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But the rest are either loyal puppet states or out of putins anger range ( China and it’s acolytes)

So as I said he’s pretty much penned in now
 
Zoophonic said:
Only 6% of Russia’s land borders touch NATO countries. Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Only five of them are NATO members.
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I think we've been another victim of western centirc thinking. When Ukrain falls, russias WESTERN border will all be with NATO countries except Finland. Most of it's borders, as you point out, are with none NATO countries.
 
Muttley said:
I would like to see Sweden and Finland join NATO immediately, it would be a slap in the face to Putin with his vague and unenforceable threats should they join.
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Can you believe even now the fins are still undecided as an estimated 53% now want to Join.

Btw Finland probably inflicted Russia’s biggest ever military defeat on them psychologically.
 
From today’s politico

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership
 
Muttley said:
I would like to see Sweden and Finland join NATO immediately, it would be a slap in the face to Putin with his vague and unenforceable threats should they join.
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Worry is if it goes the other way, we just dont know if these threats are unenforceable
 
zorro_mfc said:
Can you believe even now the fins are still undecided as an estimated 51% now want to Join.
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They announced last night that they would discuss it in their parliament.

Although this is fast moving it's still a new situation developing for a country to make a fundamental change to their international commitments.
 
zorro_mfc said:
From today’s politico

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership
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With this, and Ukrainian begging to join the EU it looks like Putins plans could ultimately backfire: Strengthening the resolve of EU and NATO, rather than forcing both to back down.
 
I think the general consensus is that he's unlikely (currently) to incur into NATO territory which makes Finland an obvious standout.

That said, if we're to assume (always dangerous) that this is genuinely about the historic soviet state, reunited Russia etc it's a stretch even for Putin to target the Finns?

Admittedly they were once part of the Russian empire but have been independent for 105 years.
 
Finland, Sweden and Ukraine into Nato and Ukraine joins the EU. I don't imagine thats what Putin planned before this started. I still hold out hope for Russia to fail in this invasion and Ukraine comes out of it stronger and independent. This bloodshed is awful My wife and I were in tears lat night watching a news story about a Dad having to say bye to his daughter and they held hands pressed up against a train window.

Just awful what is happening.
 
I think Ukraine will fall in the next couple of weeks and that will be an end to the fighting. The west will accept what Putin has done but lift some of the sanctions as they will begin to cripple our own economies. There will be no new Nato memberships. The West will continue to turn a blind eye as long as the oil and gas supply continues.
 
changingman said:
I think the general consensus is that he's unlikely (currently) to incur into NATO territory which makes Finland an obvious standout.

That said, if we're to assume (always dangerous) that this is genuinely about the historic soviet state, reunited Russia etc it's a stretch even for Putin to target the Finns?

Admittedly they were once part of the Russian empire but have been independent for 105 years.
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I think so. In his deluded state this is all about returning to the good old days of the USSR. He can kind of justify invading former Soviet countries to himself, not sure how he'd justify Finland. I don't think there's a proper treaty in place but I'm sure the other Scandinavian countries would start getting twitchy too and might well intervene.

I'd say the other former Soviet states are more under threat, despite being in NATO. And I think they're pretty safe. Or as safe as you can be with that lunatic running Russia.
 
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