Regaining our sovereignty

KingOfTheTribes said:
Got loads of family down there. There is no talking to them about Brexit - they still want to leave - they just don't want the M20 to be a lorry park. Oh well.
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The Road Haulage Association policy director for England and Wales Duncan Buchanan claims the Kent permits were "useless" and "pointless" as nobody could enforce them.
So, it will much, much worse than predicted.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Not a bad video but I can't give it five stars because it gets its facts wrong (whilst still proving a good point). The Netherlands and Portugal have not legalised cannabis and Spain is probably the closest example of near legalisation, but the point being made that EU countries can make their own laws and not suffer loss of sovereignty are true.
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In the context of personal use.
I don't think they were suggesting its legal in the Howard Marks sense.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
In the context of personal use.
I don't think they were suggesting its legal in the Howard Marks sense.
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No, but people with millions of fans and followers have to be more careful with their language. No EU country has legalised cannabis. It is actually a big problem in the Netherlands. They have what they call the back door/front door problem. Coffee shops can sell 5g of cannabis to customers in the front of the shop but the wholesale stuff that comes in the back door is illegal.
 
coluka said:
Because I am a pragmatist that both parties will not want constant disruption and businesses will adapt, change and evolve. Trade happens globally now it will do so in future. I keep pointing out that we have systems in place for importing and exporting around the world, as does the EU. It requires licensing, checks and monitoring now the EU do exactly the same. The EU will be just another addition to the existing system. The EU want an agreement, This government wants an agreement. Both parties are playing hardball. It amazes me so many British people who will continue to be British people take the EU’s side thinking they are right and we should lay down and kow tow for the scraps they offer. Trade is a two way deal there has to be give and take. I do believe we will reach an agreement in time certainly within a couple of years. Some disruption to start with might even be a catalyst to sharpen minds and hasten it up.
People should realise by now, I am no lover of this government, the Tories, the handling of Brexit. I voted for it, but also believe it should never have been offered as a referendum by Dodgy Dave. I was happy for a 2nd referendum as the public no far more now than in 2016. However, I am a pragmatist, as The great Mr Mowbray would say, It is what it is. We have to get on with things as they are, be practical and deal with the change and manage it as best we can. The EU want the best deal for them, we want the best deal for the UK, thats normal. Anyone living in the UK should want the government to try to get the best deal it can too. If that means WTO terms for a while, so be it. As a nation we need to be practical and ptagmatic. We have to have some systems in place for goodness sake. All I hear on this thread is anti government rhetoric and criticism. I do not like or support them, but I am glad they are trying to do something to monitor and check goods coming and going as life would be a whole lot more dangerous otherwise. It may not be perfect, but its a start.
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"Both parties are playing hardball. " What are the EU doing that are not in their rules? Do you remember those rules? The ones that the UK helped to draw up?
Why are people surprised that the EU want to stick to an agreement that they signed with the UK but the UK wants to break that agreement- and then blame the EU for playing "hardball"
 
BoroMart said:
That's spot on. The great unwashed voted for a whole heap of issues blocks, new rules, that never existed before.
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Any argument that had to be supported by an insult proves how weak it is.

I voted to remain and work in Madrid two months a year. They love the EC. The same cannot be said for Barcelona, they despised the lack of help to their elected MPs. But hey ho the EC is Nivana, heaven on earth, no problems, no over production, no monetary support, if Carlsberg .....
 
Lostpassword said:
Any argument that had to be supported by an insult proves how weak it is.

I voted to remain and work in Madrid two months a year. They love the EC. The same cannot be said for Barcelona, they despised the lack of help to their elected MPs. But hey ho the EC is Nivana, heaven on earth, no problems, no over production, no monetary support, if Carlsberg .....
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it's a strong argument in spite of any perceived insults.We had free trade, they voted to remove free trade (directly or indirectly) thus creating trade barriers, yet seem angry that they are springing up, go figure.
 
coluka said:
Firstly do I love brexit? Love, really 👀 No, I merely voted for it and defended everyones right to have their say despite calling the referendum stupid. I was also on the fence for ages, but felt in the longer term it had merits. I do agree the government are making a shambles of handling it, I supported the call for a second referendum with a call for remain or leave again and a second question that only came into play if leave won with a preferred brexit option of No deal or EFTA type option. I am not defending this governments handling it has been woeful. I am merely being pragmatic from where they have taken us to. As for your ridiculous riposte about your sniping, no thanks I don’t, that would plainly be silly.
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The problem is not WHERE to put lorries. The problem is having to park them at all.

The problem is not having somewhere for lorries to wait, the problem is having having them wait at all.

Brexit is backwards thinking, it is regressing, not progressing.

The European union is not a problem, it was the answer to a problem. What was the problem that the single market was designed to solve? Inefficiency and inconvenience of cross border shipping. Brexit is the undoing of a solution to a problem. So all the delay and inefficiency that existed before the single market is about to be reintroduced. We're reinstalling an obsolete trading system.

The real problem is not where to store lorries. The problem is the customer wants their stuff and now they can't have it because you can't ship it out in time. So there will be customers in Europe waiting for their stuff, but all their stuff is parked in a field. You have introduced a delay to the supply chain, you have created an inefficient system and now all your customers are going to go somewhere else because every time they buy anything from Britain it ends up stuck in a field in the middle of nowhere.

The Party of F business indeed. Lol.
 
Lefty said:
The European union is not a problem, it was the answer to a problem. What was the problem that the single market was designed to solve? Inefficiency and inconvenience of cross border shipping. Brexit is the undoing of a solution to a problem. So all the delay and inefficiency that existed before the single market is about to be reintroduced. We're reinstalling an obsolete trading system
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It's even worse than that though. Modern manufacturing, and service organisations have adopted operating practices that work on reducing the inefficiency of stocks, the Toyota Kata is all about improving flow, not having large stocks at any point in production/service delivery. Put simply it's Just In Time delivery of components and materials becomes a serious problem when you create a border. This isn't just in the manufacturing sector, but also service industry. The problem statement is now much more complex than it was was before the birth of the EU (or its predecessor organisation).
 
BoroMart said:
It's even worse than that though. Modern manufacturing, and service organisations have adopted operating practices that work on reducing the inefficiency of stocks, the Toyota Kata is all about improving flow, not having large stocks at any point in production/service delivery. Put simply it's Just In Time delivery of components and materials becomes a serious problem when you create a border. This isn't just in the manufacturing sector, but also service industry. The problem statement is now much more complex than it was was before the birth of the EU (or its predecessor organisation).
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Yes, this all happened because the Single Market allowed it to.

I must look up what the expected impact on Hauliers will be because I suspect a lot of lorries are only profitable because they have loads on the return journey too, so one way or another they are going to get stuck.

I've lost track also on whether we are going to impose checks on imports or not? I think the last I heard it was not for the first 6 months, so hey, Coluka's dodgy Dave's can have their field day, but only for six months or until we have our 50,000 previously not required customs officers trained.
 
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