Red Faction - Ticket Price Statement

Frozen Horse said:
And that was the whole point of the model the club adopted. It was about retaining ST holders.

The club will feel that strategy has worked. It has kept gates and income far higher following our most recent relegation than the model used following the previous relegation.

The criticism is that it will deter new customers. That doesn't seem to be how it's working out: gates are very healthy and the number of ST holders is growing year on year. The message that it's worth the initial outlay is being understood.

Am I happy that some can't afford to go to football? No; I've made my views on that clear earlier in the thread. I don't mind red faction making their point, I think it is well-motivated if somewhat superficial and naive. Their energy would be better spent getting involved in local politics and petitioning their MPs, rather than making banners and petitioning a football club
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They are "non-political".
Never decry someone who is making an effort in their own way, that they should be doing something else.
Lets see others on here do what they tell everyone else to do for a change.
 
r00fie1 said:
They are "non-political".
Never decry someone who is making an effort in their own way, that they should be doing something else.
Lets see others on here do what they tell everyone else to do for a change.
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I don't doubt their good intent, just the direction.

You can't claim to be non-politcal and then try to engage in fundamentally political issues.

This is why I called it superficial engagement.
 
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Humpty said:
The RF don't dictate anything to the club. They are at the mercy of the clubs decisions like everyone else. The difference being they've created a voice for themselves by being organised and by giving support to the team in numbers. This gives them a little bit of leverage to allow them to lobby the club. Get the chip off your shoulder. Are you annoyed because they have a notable voice and you don't?

They are the only supporters group standing up for fans rights. Why wouldn't you give them support?
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Lobbying wont work, its been brought up at the fans forum many times and fell on death ears?

Boycott is the only thing that works/gets a club to listen/take action look what mike ashley was forced to do at Newcastle a few seasons ago when their attendances dropped to around 40k (this has now probably been erased from memory)

But we wouldnt want to hurt our club or cut our own noses off at the moment.

The people of Teesside kind of did this in 2010-15 (stay away from the Riverside) its taken a long time to win the fans back in the regular numbers we have now. Even early days under Karanka the football wasnt great (how many minutes did we go without scoring a goal? and attendances hovered around the 14-16k mark)

The casual (not diehard or glory hunter) fan loses interest as the performances/standard of football drops/then get out of the habbit of going/miss the odd game/then next question do i really want a season ticket/can the money be put to better use?

Then they find something else to do on a saturday but still follow the club, realise how expensive walkup prices are and think twice on returning ..

Eventually something happens and they fall back in love with the thing they fell out with and new support is also generated ... the next thing the Riverside is booming again .. its taken a while but thats exactly where we are now. MFC are back to the first thing that gets mentioned in the work place on a Monday morning for all the right reasons and long may it continue ...
 
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For the past 20? years this discussion has been had regarding the cost of football, and in this time nothing has changed.

- Are fans fleeced disproportionately? Yes
- Could prices be lowered if so much wasn't siphoned off to greedy players and agents? Yes
- do clubs know fans will pay pretty much whatever they charge? Yes
- do the football authorities care? No

Until everyone comes together to look at this problem and agree action moving forward, Boro are between a rock and a hard place and have to do what they feel is right.

Not a specific Boro problem but a big football one.
 
Facefuzz said:
The football model in this country is ****ed. Fans get ripped off every week. We simply pay the footballers and agents to much for what they are worth. Bang average players on stupid money.
Some people point to the government and cost of living. It’s nothing to do with that.

The simple fact is a second tier game shouldn’t be anywhere near £30. A third tier game no where near £20.

When you look at wages across Europe and compare with ours they’re quite close. Spain, germany and Italy for example but you can go see a top tier game there for less than €20. Ac Milan starts at €12/€14 for some games and flights are normally available for less than £100 return. It’s cheaper to go there than to a championship game on the train
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I went to watch Inter two weeks ago. €75 for the cheapest seats.
 
Air Resistance said:
Can anyone actually provide some proof that our ticket prices are significantly more than the division average?

A quick Google seems to show our most expensive ST is the 6th most expensive in the division.
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Depends how you rank them, new v old tickets.

My guess is that the majority of fans in England will be able to find a particular set of statistics that opposes the price of their own club’s tickets.
 
Frozen Horse said:
And that was the whole point of the model the club adopted. It was about retaining ST holders.

The club will feel that strategy has worked. It has kept gates and income far higher following our most recent relegation than the model used following the previous relegation.

The criticism is that it will deter new customers. That doesn't seem to be how it's working out: gates are very healthy and the number of ST holders is growing year on year. The message that it's worth the initial outlay is being understood.

Am I happy that some can't afford to go to football? No; I've made my views on that clear earlier in the thread. I don't mind red faction making their point, I think it is well-motivated if somewhat superficial and naive. Their energy would be better spent getting involved in local politics and petitioning their MPs, rather than making banners and petitioning a football club
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I agree with this. Doing a banner is great, but when half of them are there 46 games a season their argument that it’s “too expensive” doesn’t really ring true in an economic sense…..
 
h_m_boro said:
For the past 20? years this discussion has been had regarding the cost of football, and in this time nothing has changed.

- Are fans fleeced disproportionately? Yes
- Could prices be lowered if so much wasn't siphoned off to greedy players and agents? Yes
- do clubs know fans will pay pretty much whatever they charge? Yes
- do the football authorities care? No

Until everyone comes together to look at this problem and agree action moving forward, Boro are between a rock and a hard place and have to do what they feel is right.

Not a specific Boro problem but a big football one.
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And....may I add?
A societal one. (y)
 
atypical_boro said:
I agree with this. Doing a banner is great, but when half of them are there 46 games a season their argument that it’s “too expensive” doesn’t really ring true in an economic sense…..
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I don't actually mind that. Its a good thing to be concerned about the welfare of others.

However, their position shows a very shallow understanding of the people on whose behalf they claim to be campaigning, and a complete lack of understanding of the societal issues that make "make football affordable for all" nothing more than a meaningless sound byte.
 
Davey_C said:
Lobbying wont work, its been brought up at the fans forum many times and fell on death ears?

Boycott is the only thing that works/gets a club to listen/take action look what mike ashley was forced to do at Newcastle a few seasons ago when their attendances dropped to around 40k (this has now probably been erased from memory)

But we wouldnt want to hurt our club or cut our own noses off at the moment.

The people of Teesside kind of did this in 2010-15 (stay away from the Riverside) its taken a long time to win the fans back in the regular numbers we have now. Even early days under Karanka the football wasnt great (how many minutes did we go without scoring a goal? and attendances hovered around the 14-16k mark)

The casual (not diehard or glory hunter) fan loses interest as the performances/standard of football drops/then get out of the habbit of going/miss the odd game/then next question do i really want a season ticket/can the money be put to better use?

Then they find something else to do on a saturday but still follow the club, realise how expensive walkup prices are and think twice on returning ..

Eventually something happens and they fall back in love with the thing they fell out with and new support is also generated ... the next thing the Riverside is booming again .. its taken a while but thats exactly where we are now. MFC are back to the first thing that gets mentioned in the work place on a Monday morning for all the right reasons and long may it continue ...
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I cant speak for Rob,
but it might be worth engaging with him on what has been achieved by the fans forum:

"Lobbying wont work, its been brought up at the fans forum many times and fell on death ears?"

You might be surprised.

(y)
 
Would anyone else like to instruct the other Boro Supporters Forum Members how they should conduct themselves?

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r00fie1 said:
I cant speak for Rob,
but it might be worth engaging with him on what has been achieved by the fans forum:

"Lobbying wont work, its been brought up at the fans forum many times and fell on death ears?"

You might be surprised.

(y)
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Lobbying tends to bring about short-termist PR stunts. Prices still go up over time and clubs still get where they want to be over a longer period.

The only way to reclaim the commercial power is to stop coughing up the cash.
 
So reading back through the thread it was mentioned that the "possible rise in prices" was discussed in the last MSF meeting but the discussion wasn`t minuted.

Can someone who was there confirm whether this was indeed the case?
 
Humpty said:
What are RF08 gaining from this as a PR stunt?
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No idea Humpty

I don`t believe that they would release a statement like they have if there wasn`t some truth behind it but would like clarity even if it stopped people using it as a stick to beat them with.
 
boroboy6872 said:
So reading back through the thread it was mentioned that the "possible rise in prices" was discussed in the last MSF meeting but the discussion wasn`t minuted.

Can someone who was there confirm whether this was indeed the case
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It wasn't detailed in the minutes, no. There was reference to a separate, ticket meeting that had been held away from the regular monthly meeting. A number of items were noted in the minutes regarding this meeting but no mention of price increases. So it was either discussed and purposely left out the minutes or it wasn't discussed.
 
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