Red Bull breaching 2021 financial cap

Randy said:
Rules were broken and the punishment should fit the severity.

I do to find it hilarious that Aston Martin broke the cap and are still stuck towards the bottom of the pecking order.
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Broke the cap and copied the Red Bull after a couple of races - not going very well for them
 
junos_boots said:
Broke the cap and copied the Red Bull after a couple of races - not going very well for them
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The actually didn't break the cap: the broke the procedure for reporting the cap.

I agree, things look bleak for AM: No Vettel next year, engineers who have had to copy both Merc and Red Bull in recent years and going backwards
 
SmallTown said:
Apparently Toto Wolff has said if Red Bull only get a fine, they'll break the cost cap next year knowing that is the only punishment
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Don’t blame them. I could see it being a scenario where it’s an escalating punishment, so you get a fine your first time and then next time it’s points etc. But as I was saying earlier the punishments really aren’t clear cut when they should be.

It should be points based on every $500k you go over or something like that, plus Aero time because I think that probably affects them the most. As it stands they have a list of “minor sporting penalties” to choose from and if the rumours are correct that they’ve gone over by $1.8m I’d guess the punishment will be on the lower side.
 
Just get rid of the cap all together. It's done nothing but make everything too complicated.
 
I think it’ll take time for the gap to reduce through the pack. Teams will have had head start with historic budgets etc
 
SmallTown said:
I'm not so keen on an 8 car grid. Without the cost cap the little teams won't be able to stay in the fight. The midfield gap is so small at the moment. A lot of that is helped by the cap. Haas would be miles behind for example
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What fight?

Williams, Haas and Alfa still finish at the back. Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari at the front.
 
It'll hopefully help balance the pack a little better in the future... if a certain team can manage to stick to it!
 
I agree it’s pointless having a cap if it is not observed properly.

It‘s a bit like scoring a goal when you are 10 yards offside compared to scoring when you are just off side.

You are still gaining advantage by being offside.

I think F1 has a couple of choices, either continuing as a bit of a largely meaningless but spectacular circus with a very loose set of rules or tighten it up and make it a proper sporting contest.
 
Latest rumour, and it is only a rumour, Is that they left Adrian Neweys salary out of the reporting.

Significant since he's on £10million a year.
 
SmallTown said:
You don't think Williams and Haas are a lot closer than they were before the cost cap?
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Standings determine they aren't.

At the beginning of any race weekend it's pretty easy to determine the three teams in the top six and the teans that will be at the bottom.

And it will stay this way whilst the cost cap is still in place.

Why do you think Toto is so against Andretti joining the grid? Because he'll bring his team in after throwing millions of dollars at it before they officially become a part of the grid and upset the status quo. The cost cap is also in my opinion preventing other interested manufacturers/teams from joining the F1 series because they can't use the funds at their disposal to the full amount.

Just think what the likes of Ford, BMW, Nissan for example could do for the series with the money and resources at their disposal.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Or is it the interpretation of the rules? Football and VAR is a great example - we all see these things differently. As such we have the governing bodies to decide when a rule is broken and what the penalty would be. I just think that some F1 fans are 'rule geeks' and would rather moan over regulation 14.5.3 section c than watch a race and just enjoy the spectical.
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I think this misses the point of certain rules in that with many there's an element of subjectivity. Why do so many people get done for speeding? It's because the limit is X and you were driving at X + 10mph so it is fact and therefore easy to prosecute.
For me the Red Bull case is the same. The cap is a fixed value and more was spent, exactly the same as the Lewis Hamilton wing issue in that there's a limit and you're either within the limit or not.
 
Randy said:
Rules were broken and the punishment should fit the severity.

I do to find it hilarious that Aston Martin broke the cap and are still stuck towards the bottom of the pecking order.

Also, I don't agree with the price cap at all. Puts a severe restriction on development throughout the season. F1 is supposed to be the top tier of motorsports. Yet it's hamstrung every season. The financial cap hasn't made it easier for lower level teams to compete, the usual suspects are still finishing races where they have for by years.
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The problem was F1 used to bring many developments to the cars that ordinary people drive to work and I don't feel that's the case now.
 
SmallTown said:
Latest rumour, and it is only a rumour, Is that they left Adrian Neweys salary out of the reporting.

Significant since he's on £10million a year.
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As somebody alluded to earlier, Red Bull are the Derby County FC of F1. Pulling out all the crafty and dirty tricks, more news will trickle out of the woodworks slowly seen as though Karen Horner has gone silent. As my post said earlier in this thread those who complain and shout the most usually have the most to hide and this is what this is turning in to…
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
The problem was F1 used to bring many developments to the cars that ordinary people drive to work and I don't feel that's the case now.
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Pretty much where hybrid technology has done though I think. Plus the new engines will be using biofuels as well as hybrid technology, biofuels been the next big leap in automotive technology.
 
SmallTown said:
the stopwatch determines they are
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Lap times don't win you races and championship points. Finishing positions do.

Look at the case of Williams last year and this year. Russell and Albon are both phenomenal drivers who drove/drive that car way beyond its capabilities. Latifi is the proof of that.
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
The problem was F1 used to bring many developments to the cars that ordinary people drive to work and I don't feel that's the case now.
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You want to look at WEC for that. More stuff is likely to come off a WEC car and on to a road car. Modern active led headlights for example
 
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