It’s all about where the borders are to be - being satisfied with the current limit of the regions, or taking some Ukrainian territory. The regions will be Russian controlled so Russia could place its military there.
Putin to recognise the independence of two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine
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It’s all about where the borders are to be - being satisfied with the current limit of the regions, or taking some Ukrainian territory. The regions will be Russian controlled so Russia could place its military there.
BiggEggo
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This rock will keep rolling westwards. Another month, another state . Another year, another country. Baltic states must also be close to bricking it right now.
Jedi boro
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But as I said that can’t happen as article 5 means an an attack on Tallinn is akin to an attack on London or Washington.
TeaCider
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The only countries Russia can bother are ex-Soviet states that haven't joined NATO or the EU.
The options are limited to Central Asia, where most of the countries are run by equally corrupt dictators in Russia's pocket, Moldova and Ukraine.
They've already lopped what they could off of Georgia and Belarus is a Russian puppet.
Craggsy2
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I think everybody is getting a bit carried away by this and they need to test the water to find out what Putin's true intentions are. I personally think for the sake of peace they should let the two regions break away and be independent if that's what the majority of people here want. Look what happened with Yugoslavia when they tried to hold it together against the will of the people, best to avoid a similar blood bath. If Putin was to ask for further concessions from Ukraine then that's a different matter.
TeessideCleveland
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I've said all along that these 2 regions will be annexed. Putin has to gain something after all this. While it's not right I hope the Russian troops going into these 2 regions means a bigger invasion and war are avoided
TeaCider
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It's not the will of the people though.
They're only quasi-independent regions because Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and snatched what territory it could.
It's not even the majority of Donetsk and Luhansk under the control of the Russian-propped up separatists, which is why Russia will probably invade again to try and claim the rest of the territory.
The majority of the people didn't want to be Russian, they wanted to be part of the an independent Ukraine, it's never been about the will of the people.
The only reason people are even contemplating it is because might makes right and many countries in the West aren't willing to risk their own economy and lives for a third party.
Jedi boro
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That’s the real issue
TeessideCleveland
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800,000 Russian passports have already been issued there before the last few months' events
Sisyphus
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Would you like to justify that statement? I don’t see Johnson preparing to invade a sovereign state. And like it or not, he was democratically elected.
ThePrisoner
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Johnson would 100% invade a sovereign state if it benefitted him. He is a depraved degenerate.
Wasn't Putin elected once upon a time?
asredastheycome
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NATO is like wearing incontinence pants. You know you've sh1t yourself but you are not sure where it's oozing out.They can’t touch the Baltic’s as much as they’d like to as unlike Ukraine, all 3 Baltic states EstoniaLatvia
and Lithuania
Are in NATO ( as are Poland
)
And article 5 would kick in
Every participating country agreed that this form of solidarity was at the heart of the Treaty, effectively making Article 5 on collective defence a key component of the Alliance.
Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.
Sisyphus
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Thanks for the response. I think we will leave it there as we clearly have a very different interpretation of the world.
TeaCider
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If those two regions in question want to be a part of Russia then why is it any business of any other country?
"Want to be".
Over half the population has fled the territories since Russia invaded the first time, 40% of the population that remains is made up of pensioners.
It's easy enough to get a minority view to be seen to be the majority when it's done at gun point by a stronger power.
Any attempt at reintegration by Ukraine was met with aggression by Russian paramilitary forces and hundreds of thousands of refugees live in the rest of Ukraine who would otherwise live in the region.
Russia has been gobbling up parts of other countries through military force since the 90s, it's not a situation that should be occurring in the 21st century, it's weird how many people are happy to defend it in other countries.
We've got enough trouble dealing with the impact of our own history on the world without people being happy to see another country doing the exact same thing when the world should know better.
ThePrisoner
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Last thought for you. Do you think Johnson and his corrupt henchman will now give up one Rouble of the tens of billions they have laundered through London in the past decades? All of a parcel.
TeessideCleveland
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'Peacekeeping operations' - that's a strange way to spell annexe
ThePrisoner
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It will be over in a week. No way for Ukraine to resist is there?