So why are nightclubs open now? Apparently they are safe until the 19th but after that not so much.
Have you read the article you posted? It says he had no spleen and no immune system, so would be classed in the highly vulnerable category. It is very different from a fit and healthy 25 year old deciding they don't want to take a jab.
Yes I read it, however there are also plenty of people walking around with issues as yet undetected, people may well have compromised immune systems, organ issues and don’t necessarily always know it, some cancers can be slow growing for one, it is an inconvenient truth unfortunately.
Your post 90 responding to my post 87
because a) LFTs are notoriously unreliable often giving false positives. b) there is a gap between the test and entering the establishment where you could catch it, and c) if someone without the vax catches it they are more contagious than those with the vax, so should they catch at the event they are more likely to spread it in the days after the event. I'm sure there are more reasons but off the top of my head those 3 are a start.
You'll have to ask this irresponsible government that
I don't think it's really fair to say that everyones concerns are about the, personally, some of us have empathy and compassion for others. Boris Johnsons they've all over 80 any so f(*)k 'em attitude appalls me.
who did he catch it off? The 20 year old in IC was he 100% healthy?
So what you're saying is you didn't read it before posting and now you're changing your story to make it sound like you did. Nice one.
So if the LFT's are so unreliable why do I now have to take one every day before going to work the same as my missus does?
Because they're the best we've got at short notice, but they're still unreliable.
They're not, there are just restrictions on how they interact with everyone else, to protect people from teh stupidity of these people.
Don't know if you noticed, but there has been a deadly pandemic
It is not mandatory and a hell of a lot has changed in 16 months.
There is a suggestion there that I don't care about people?
I think you are reading too much into, or not enough, I just know that opening up internal events with zero control will kill people for little return. I'm not comfortable with that.
I've used the word pragmatism and will continue to.
Agreed, some are more selfish than others, thats true
You are hearing what you want to hear, because there is equally raucous outcry at opening up without controls in place as numbers sky rocket yet again and the NHS prepares to struggle to meet demand yet again. The nation is divided on this, those who see economics, or fun as being more important than old peoples lives, and vice versa. Now if it's 52% or 48% or whatever, populism doesn't make good decisions.
Don't be silly, every decision effects me, as it also effects you.
I eat outside, I drink outside, that's my compromise to have some element of normality while mitigating risk to me and anyone I come in to contact with. Pragmatism.
Your pragmatism is fine until the winter comes. Let's look at this another way.
Why would I need to? If I'm meeting people yes, if not I don't go indoors with anyone.
Perfect is the enemy of good. We all have to do what we can, and the government have to do a hell of a lot more to make up for people that think it's all a faff to keep fellow citizens alive
Or to put your words another way, someone who contributes financially to society should be free to kill other citizens, harm society by making people worried to go out, and only give a crap about having a good time themselves and damn the consequences. Being socially aware isn't a one time thing, it's a lifetime commitment.
why? because the alternative is to punish every citizen that does play the game because of largely stupidity and selfishness of a minority. If these covidiots actually wanted their freedom they could go a long way to ensuring it by having the vaccine.
Yes, I do, I have been diligent to the extreme. I haven't been in any friends houses, I haven't had anyone but my family in my house or car. I've met a couple of times at pubs, outdoor, socially distanced. Other than be a hermit there isn't much more I can do, now turn that same question on the covidiots...
You are just demonstrating my argument for me. You do as much as you are comfortable with and no more. You failing to test yourself before you go out means that you are happy to kill people.
No that is what you are saying, quite wrongly but such is life and doing it i suspect to suit whatever agenda you have…. Nice One!