Proof of vaccine to enter nightclubs from September...

BoroMart said:
exactly, and that's my point the balance being open them but enforce vaccination to protect everyone that goes and everyone that comes into contact with the nightclubbers in the subsequent days. That is the balance, that is required. Football stadia are outdoors which is inherently a less dangerous environment
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I agree with that, but there is an elephant in the room with football though, it is the amount of cramming into pubs and bars in the town centres and route to grounds both before and after games and any concourse mixing that takes place (anyone remember Barnsley away before covid struck?)

Vaccines are the best way out and the majority have accepted this. I do think passports would change the minds of the foolhardy nay sayers. It is discriminatory, but for once it is in the national interest.
 
hewielewie said:
You may agree with discrimination but I don't.
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That's in interesting extrapolation. Even for social media that's a wild leap from my comment.

I guess I need to explain my point as you have missed it: You are arguing against covid passport by saying flu kills. That doesn't really have any logic as they are 2 very different conditions with 2 very different infection rates. Hence why I assumed you were just listing things that could kill. My example makes as much sense as yours.
 
hewielewie said:
My argument is that you cannot ban someone due to a disability or a difference. You may be happy with that but I can assure you I am not. It won't be just from nightclubs but from sporting events, cinema's, theatres etc. This is the thin end of the wedge.
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F.O.C. my friend, F.O.C.

I'm not 'happy with banning anyone'. I am happy with saving lives will preserving the businesses that operate those nightclubs. A pragmatic and real world solution.

Your argument about 'discrimination' is based bunk. No one wants to ban anyone, but to save innocent lives it's a necessity. This isn't discrimination from the stance of punitive, it's from a stance of safety only.
 
hewielewie said:
You may agree with discrimination but I don't.
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...anyway It's not even discriminating against those with disability, as already said solutions can be found for those.

It's about the covidiot. It's simply giving the choice to the covidiots, to attend safely or not attend. It's no different to having a driving license, you can learn to drive and prove you are a responsible person and you are allowed to, or you can refuse to have a license and sit in the corner complaining that you being discriminated against by an oppressive government that won't let you drive without taking their stupid test. In the end they only have themselves to blame if they are not allowed to go to public events. Our life choices have consequences and I would far rather the consequences be that they are bored, than their granny is dead.
 
BoroMart said:
F.O.C. my friend, F.O.C.

I'm not 'happy with banning anyone'. I am happy with saving lives will preserving the businesses that operate those nightclubs. A pragmatic and real world solution.

Your argument about 'discrimination' is based bunk. No one wants to ban anyone, but to save innocent lives it's a necessity. This isn't discrimination from the stance of punitive, it's from a stance of safety only.
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What Freedom of Choice are you referring to?
 
BoroMart said:
...anyway It's not even discriminating against those with disability, as already said solutions can be found for those.

It's about the covidiot. It's simply giving the choice to the covidiots, to attend safely or not attend. It's no different to having a driving license, you can learn to drive and prove you are a responsible person and you are allowed to, or you can refuse to have a license and sit in the corner complaining that you being discriminated against by an oppressive government that won't let you drive without taking their stupid test. In the end they only have themselves to blame if they are not allowed to go to public events. Our life choices have consequences and I would far rather the consequences be that they are bored, than their granny is dead.
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And you said my flu analogy was irrelevant and then you bring up having a driving license which is even more irrelevant to my argument. What if your choice to learn to drive was taken away from you and you couldn't drive at all?
 
hewielewie said:
And you said my flu analogy was irrelevant and then you bring up having a driving license which is even more irrelevant to my argument. What if your choice to learn to drive was taken away from you and you couldn't drive at all?
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That argument doesn't make sense. no one's choice to learn to drive is taken away from them. You can choose whether you learn to drive or not. In the same we you can choose whether to have the vaccine or not. If you choose not, you're not allowed to drive and you're not allowed to enter a night-club. You're getting lost in your own need to argue here
 
hewielewie said:
And you said my flu analogy was irrelevant and then you bring up having a driving license which is even more irrelevant to my argument. What if your choice to learn to drive was taken away from you and you couldn't drive at all?
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It's the perfect analogy because a car can kill people or yourself, so can covid. If you are disabled you can often still drive, you just have special dispensation. Point is mate, going to a nightclub is now an activity that creates severe risk to lots of other innocent people that didn't go. So you now have a responsibility accompanying that trip for some drinks and a dance, to those you mingle with during and after.

That was a negligible risk in the past, it's an acute risk now. So special measures are required to mitigate the risk. If you think that risk shouldn't be mitigated, that's your choice, it's a really odd one to have so little care for your fellow citizens but that's for you to own.
 
hewielewie said:
And you said my flu analogy was irrelevant and then you bring up having a driving license which is even more irrelevant to my argument. What if your choice to learn to drive was taken away from you and you couldn't drive at all?
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Some people are already not allowed to drive due to certain medical conditions. I had my licence removed for a year as I’m epileptic. I didn’t see it as discrimination
 
SmallTown said:
That argument doesn't make sense. no one's choice to learn to drive is taken away from them. You can choose whether you learn to drive or not. In the same we you can choose whether to have the vaccine or not. If you choose not, you're not allowed to drive and you're not allowed to enter a night-club. You're getting lost in your own need to argue here
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I don't think you have read the full thread in this post. I was never referring to those who refused to have the vaccine. I was referring to those who were unable to have the vaccine.
Oh and certain people are not able to learn to drive so they don't have a choice.
 
hewielewie said:
Fear of Change? I am sorry I do not understand how this relates to individuals not be able to be vaccinated and therefore not being able to go to a nightclub, a cinema, a bar or a sporting event.
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"It won't be just from nightclubs but from sporting events, cinema's, theatres etc. This is the thin end of the wedge." - you are so scared that change might be followed by more change that you have a paralysis that any change for the good should be rejected because who knows whats next. FOC
 
hewielewie said:
I don't think you have read the full thread in this post. I was never referring to those who refused to have the vaccine. I was referring to those who were unable to have the vaccine.
Oh and certain people are not able to learn to drive so they don't have a choice.
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Oh I did, I thought we had veered this. Those that can't have the vaccine would have to be dealt with, of course. through GP notes or hospital records I guess. Just to be clear the the subset of people who can and should go to nightclubs and also can't have the vaccine is pretty small
You have to think of the whole population.
 
hewielewie said:
I don't think you have read the full thread in this post. I was never referring to those who refused to have the vaccine. I was referring to those who were unable to have the vaccine.
Oh and certain people are not able to learn to drive so they don't have a choice.
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I've read teh whole thing, and as previously stated, those unable to have the vaccine can be catered for through exemption. This has already been discussed I guess you missed it (although you did respond to some of those posts 🤷‍♂️ ). The big issue is those who choose to for go the safety of others for their own idiocy.
 
BoroMart said:
I've read teh whole thing, and as previously stated, those unable to have the vaccine can be catered for through exemption. This has already been discussed I guess you missed it (although you did respond to some of those posts 🤷‍♂️ ). The big issue is those who choose to for go the safety of others for their own idiocy.
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Nope, looked through the thread and I cannot see where I have responded to a post where someone has said that those unable to have the vaccine will be catered through exemption. Could you show me please?
 
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