Prince Andrew no longer HRH

Liamo

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No forensics and no corroborative accusers might just swing it Andrews way but for the Queen to take yesterdays action is incredible.
I'm not sure why you keep repeating this thing about "no forensics."

As already stated, forensics are not required in a civil suit (they'd be helpful, of course - but not necessary).

For instance, the family of Nicole Simpson didn't need forensics (which, as we know, were found insufficient to prove the criminal case) to achieve a massive, multi-million dollar judgement against OJ.
 

Willow

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I find the whole idea of these type of civil cases strange tbh. Either you can prove what you are alleging or you can't.

You can be judged innocent in a criminal court and then a civil court can say, ah well hang a minute I'm not so sure, better ruin you financially just in case.
 

Laughing

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I would imagine the one picture we have all seen will be forensically analysed, and given the Andrew claims to have no recollection of meeting the alleged victim, this would be central to any case.
 

Scrug

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Never has a more spineless individual held those titles. Mates in the navy who have met him or been on the same ship say he is a complete bellend. The same people say Charles is a gent and has time for other people

Had a ship called the Hussy didn’t he? I’ve heard the same from Navy lads too.
 

SmogOnTheTees

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You know all those medals he wears? Did he really earn them? If I hadnt justifiably earned medals, I couldnt wear them. Andrew has a chest full. Are they medals for incredible sexual exploits? Or least sweats in the regiment? Does he get a new medal every time a new chin appears?
 

HundredRoom

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You know all those medals he wears? Did he really earn them? If I hadnt justifiably earned medals, I couldnt wear them. Andrew has a chest full. Are they medals for incredible sexual exploits? Or least sweats in the regiment? Does he get a new medal every time a new chin appears?
Mostly "I was there" medals I suspect eg Falklands
 

Liamo

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I find the whole idea of these type of civil cases strange tbh. Either you can prove what you are alleging or you can't.

You can be judged innocent in a criminal court and then a civil court can say, ah well hang a minute I'm not so sure, better ruin you financially just in case.
Then you clearly haven't understood the fundamental differences between a criminal prosecution and a civil suit.

A criminal trial is about society punishing a person for having broken the law while a civil suit is about an individual seeking compensation for a wrong that they claim was done to them.

In a criminal case a person is facing prison and (in certain states in the US and depending on the charge) can potentially be put to death so you obviously have to have a much higher burden of proof.

However, while the bar is set differently in a civil case it's not true that it's just a question of not being sure. The plaintiff still has to prove their allegations, but by a preponderance of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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Willow

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Then you clearly haven't understood the fundamental differences between a criminal prosecution and a civil suit.

A criminal trial is about society punishing a person for having broken the law while a civil suit is about an individual seeking compensation for a wrong that they claim was done to them.

In a criminal case a person is facing prison and (in certain states in the US and depending on the charge) can potentially be put to death so you obviously have to have a much higher burden of proof.

However, while the bar is set differently in a civil case it's not true that it's just a question of not being sure. The plaintiff still has to prove their allegations, but by a preponderance of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.
No i understand all the definitions you've quoted. I just find it strange at a fundamental level. Your last sentence still boils down to ' we cant prove you definitely did it, but on balance you probably did.' Which is fair enough in this case, I have no sympathy for exHRH.
 

FatCat

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zzzzz

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The Palace knew this was coming.
Drip drip drip of dragging the Royal family into at best disrepute.
Whatever happens with the civil case "The Firm" will be tainted forever.
 

JonJon

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No i understand all the definitions you've quoted. I just find it strange at a fundamental level. Your last sentence still boils down to ' we cant prove you definitely did it, but on balance you probably did.' Which is fair enough in this case, I have no sympathy for exHRH.
You're right. The bar is set lower for a civil case and is often referred to as "the balance of probabilities".

For example, if there were to be a photograph taken by a convicted sex traffiker of another convicted sex traffiker, a victim of sex traffiking and you, it could be said that the balance of probabilities might turn out to be a problem for you.
 

BoroMart

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To put the other side of this. What actual forensic or otherwise evidence is there to secure a conviction.
No DNA as far as I know
Someone who has already accepted money has got to be an unreliable witness.
Has anyone else made the same accusations against Andrew. to corroborate the story?

There is a bit of lynch mob mentality about this whole thing on here and elsewhere
Just what is the compelling evidence he is guilty.? Being stupid is not evidence.
So all those rape cases that weren't immediately put to the please so a dna swab could be taken are without merit?

Come on.

The guys alibi is bollox, his claims of going to visit his convicted paedo friend by staying with him for 3 days are nonsensical, his visits to pedo island alarming, his relationship with Maxwell disturbing, his relationship with Weinstein perplexing, and his TV appearance in defence of himself beyond parody. Then we look at the defence he has mounted so far, I don't recall ever meeting her....<PHOTO>....that may have been doctored.....besides I can't sweat, and I was in a pizza express, yet no one has confirmed these sweat claims and there are photos of him in that era sweating, and no one has confirmed he was at a birthday party in woking.....now it's oh it must be a false memory. Is it really any wonder that the vast majority of people, including his own Mum think he's guilty?
 
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