Points deduction? Anything in this?

[KiwiBoro]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-blackburn-fa-cup-quarter-final-match-report Guardian Article

The interesting statement towards the end of the piece
“Potentially one of the biggest weeks in the club’s history,” was the verdict of Heckingbottom a few days ago: a pretty big claim for a club that have won a league title, four FA Cups and eight top-flight promotions. But as Doyle’s shot burst the net, it didn’t feel like an outlandish statement. United are still under a transfer embargo, still enduring significant financial stress, still waiting on a prospective takeover by the Nigerian businessman Dozy Mmobuosi, still fighting the prospect of administration and a points deduction."

 

[futureboy]

Blades in strife?

Do we believe this? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11873261/Sheffield-United-introduce-extraordinary-cost-cutting-measures-avoid-going-administration.html

fmttmboro.com

Probably not, but we can always hope.

 

[hewielewie]

This bit made me laugh

'This is the doctrine of Paul Heckingbottom: keep calm, no complaining, win the next battle.'

 

[Otto42]

There were rumours on twitter, admittedly identified to me by Wednesday supporting mates that administration is a real possibility if the takeover didn't go through and they were hoping if it was after a certain date in March any deduction wouldn't effect this season.

 

[atomicloonybin aka ALB]

There were rumours on twitter, admittedly identified to me by Wednesday supporting mates that administration is a real possibility if the takeover didn't go through and they were hoping if it was after a certain date in March any deduction wouldn't effect this season.

If that's the case, and they go up, they might be the first Premier League team to finish with minus points over a 38 game season.

 

[Jan_Aage_Fjortoft]

This is their CEO's response in the local press to the report in the Daily Mail the other day.

Stephen Bettis addresses Sheffield United's finances amid administration claim

A report in a national newspaper yesterday made a number of claims about Sheffield United's finances, including talk of administration

www.examinerlive.co.uk

 

[homesickblues]

It would take the football league a few years to make a decision anyway, so nothing for this season. Lets just try to win all our remaining games.

 

[Rofesleg]

It would take the football league a few years to make a decision anyway, so nothing for this season. Lets just try to win all our remaining games.

No decision to be made.
If they go into administration before Thursday, a points deduction is automatic and applied this season.
After Thursday and it is applied next season. Not sure if it carries over to the Premier League though.

 

[newyddion]

No decision to be made.
If they go into administration before Thursday, a points deduction is automatic and applied this season.
After Thursday and it is applied next season. Not sure if it carries over to the Premier League though.

I thought their big backer was the guy who proved his worth by having an airline.. the one with no planes.

 

[edinboro]

This is their CEO's response in the local press to the report in the Daily Mail the other day.

Stephen Bettis addresses Sheffield United's finances amid administration claim

A report in a national newspaper yesterday made a number of claims about Sheffield United's finances, including talk of administration

www.examinerlive.co.uk

Well, he forgot to mention they are under an embargo for not paying fees. And he seems to think not paying their bills is ok. It's clear from that they are struggling and have been robbing Peter (suppliers) to pay (Paul) to avoid a points deduction. Shameful that the rules allow that.

I hope even more now that they don't go up as they will clearly struggle if they fail. They proposed new owner is making noises about using Deloitte to prove how rich he is. That's desperate if you ask me.

I really hope we beat them to promotion.

 

[Jan_Aage_Fjortoft]

They do look as though they are struggling but these FA Cups wins were possibly the difference between them being able to pay players wages each month and not. Just a case of them trying to do what they can till the end of the season and potential PL money solving any issues for this season with an advance from somewhere.

 

[newyddion]

Well, he forgot to mention they are under an embargo for not paying fees. And he seems to think not paying their bills is ok. It's clear from that they are struggling and have been robbing Peter (suppliers) to pay (Paul) to avoid a points deduction. Shameful that the rules allow that.

I hope even more now that they don't go up as they will clearly struggle if they fail. They proposed new owner is making noises about using Deloitte to prove how rich he is. That's desperate if you ask me.

I really hope we beat them to promotion.

The semi final might have just saved their bacon!

 

[Priv]

For me any late payments towards transfer fees should make that player ineligible until payments are up to date.

 

[Way_Out_West]

No decision to be made.
If they go into administration before Thursday, a points deduction is automatic and applied this season.
After Thursday and it is applied next season. Not sure if it carries over to the Premier League though.

Not true. If the 'insolvency event' (i.e. going into administration) happens "during the normal playing season but after 5pm on the 4th Thursday in March", unless the points earned already puts the team in a relegation position then the deduction is made in that current season.

See article 12.3 and 12.4 of EFL Regulations

Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League

www.efl.com

 

[Way_Out_West]

Not true. If the 'insolvency event' (i.e. going into administration) happens "during the normal playing season but after 5pm on the 4th Thursday in March", unless the points earned already puts the team in a relegation position then the deduction is made in that current season.

See article 12.3 and 12.4 of EFL Regulations

Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League

www.efl.com

Incidentally, "Normal Playing Season" is defined as ending immediately after the completion of the final league fixture excluding any play off matches. So they just need to last until 5pm on 8th May.

Edit: they actually need to last until 9th May, as the 8th being a public holiday is not a 'business day' so the preceding business day is counted as the point of insolvency.

 

[newyddion]

They do look as though they are struggling but these FA Cups wins were possibly the difference between them being able to pay players wages each month and not. Just a case of them trying to do what they can till the end of the season and potential PL money solving any issues for this season with an advance from somewhere.

Defo the difference they’ve been cutting costs all over the shop..

• Turning off the undersoil heating at the club's Shirecliffe training ground and ordering the players to train inside
• Instructing ground staff to cut back on the use of grass fertiliser on training pitches to save money
• Limiting the amount of paint used across various club sites
• Restricting the use of specialist data and analysis software by club scouts, which has hampered their ability to prepare the squad for matches
• Cutting back on the use of casual workers and part-time office staff
• Failing to pay several suppliers on time, which has led to numerous complaints
• Mothballing various construction projects, with the Copthorne Hotel at Bramall Lane falling into a state of disrepair

But the players that haven’t paid for have featured heavily in these lucrative cup games and by the looks of it will gift them a £100m promotion prize over their more financially responsible peers.

 

[Rofesleg]

Not true. If the 'insolvency event' (i.e. going into administration) happens "during the normal playing season but after 5pm on the 4th Thursday in March", unless the points earned already puts the team in a relegation position then the deduction is made in that current season.

See article 12.3 and 12.4 of EFL Regulations

Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League

www.efl.com

Fair enough, that's even worse for them then. I thought they had to avoid administration only until Thursday, which is what all the reports have been saying.

Still, there is no 'decision' to be made which would 'take a couple of years'. Administration automatically means a point deduction.

 

[FishofContemplation]

No decision to be made.
If they go into administration before Thursday, a points deduction is automatic and applied this season.
After Thursday and it is applied next season. Not sure if it carries over to the Premier League though.

This isn’t correct. It applies next season only if they would be relegated without it.

EFL regs:

12.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2:

…

12.3.2 during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply;

…

12.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

12.4.2 the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season

 

[newyddion]

This isn’t correct. It applies next season only if they would be relegated without it.

EFL regs:

12.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2:

…

12.3.2 during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply;

…

12.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

12.4.2 the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season

So it could be applied this season up to 5pm on the 8th May?

 

[Way_Out_West]

So it could be applied this season up to 5pm on the 8th May?

If it's before start of business on 9th May it's 12 points off this season.