Points deduction? Anything in this?

Maybe they where just happy coasting along and purposefully running at ‘close to bust’ safe in the knowledge that they where comfortably 2nd with no threats to the promotion / 100m soon to be coming their way which would fix everything but now the mighty Boro have really rocked the boat and everything could hopefully so easily just all fall down from the inside for them.

These are just two very bold and bizarre leaks about the hierarchy which if true could very easily unsettle the players and manager if things continue to go wrong slowly as their amount of games add up.

• Turning off the undersoil heating at the club's Shirecliffe training ground and ordering the players to train inside
• Restricting the use of specialist data and analysis software by club scouts, which has hampered their ability to prepare the squad for matches

If they end up in an unexpected dog fight and find themselves under trained and under prepared for it through such brazen actions then there could always be a chance of it all just starting to hopefully self combust at any given moment in time.
 
FishofContemplation said:
This isn’t correct. It applies next season only if they would be relegated without it.

EFL regs:

12.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2:

…

12.3.2 during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply;

…

12.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

12.4.2 the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season
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Yeah, the main point I was responding to was homesickblues assertion that a points deduction would take a few years to apply whilst EFL made a decision.
 
Marvanelli said:
Speaking of points deduction.

Wigan just had 3 points deducted for failure of payment of wages to players

www.efl.com

EFL Statement: Wigan Athletic

Wigan Athletic has, with immediate effect, been deducted three points from the 2022/23 Championship table after the Club failed to pay player salaries again in March 2023.
www.efl.com www.efl.com
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If it's anything like the last time it happened to them they'll now go on and win their last 8 games.
 
Insolvency can be voluntary or involuntary. It's voluntary if you declare you can't pay your debts. It's involuntary if they people you owe money to, demand it back when it's due.

Sheffield Utd look like they have enough money to keep paying players' wages, HMRC and stage games until the end of the season. They are probably making informal agreements with various clubs to delay or stage various repayments. Provided no football clubs demand payment immediately they'll likely squeeze through if they get promoted. The teams they owe money to are likely thinking they're more likely to get paid back in full if Sheffield Utd get promoted than if they go bust so they are incentivised to wait and see.

It's scummy but I don't think the EFL has a trigger to act unless a football entity of some sort calls in a debt. (Don't quote me on that though.)

Think of the likes of Man City. They may be owed a 5 figure sum which hardly even counts as small change for them. They have zero interest in calling in that debt if it makes SU insolvent and has a knock-on effect so they'll wait.

Unless SU have something worse than being late on some debt repayments lurking in the books, they'll be fine. Normally, in this case, the owner would loan them something but clearly there is a massive issue there and with the prospective new owner.

That all said, the players will be hearing about this too and they'll be wondering what it means for them. What may happen is that some of the key players start playing for themselves rather than the team. They'll be protecting themselves from getting injured. If this happens we might see something like what happened to us in 96-97 where players roused themselves for big occasions but not bread and butter matches.

The big risk for SU is that football creditors start to doubt whether they'll get promoted. That said, with the cup run and possible play-offs they may get enough of a cash injection to stave off any issues. If they don't get promoted, though, they are in a Derby-sized hole.
 
newyddion said:
Defo the difference they’ve been cutting costs all over the shop..

  • Turning off the undersoil heating at the club's Shirecliffe training ground and ordering the players to train inside
  • Instructing ground staff to cut back on the use of grass fertiliser on training pitches to save money
  • Limiting the amount of paint used across various club sites
  • Restricting the use of specialist data and analysis software by club scouts, which has hampered their ability to prepare the squad for matches
  • Cutting back on the use of casual workers and part-time office staff
  • Failing to pay several suppliers on time, which has led to numerous complaints
  • Mothballing various construction projects, with the Copthorne Hotel at Bramall Lane falling into a state of disrepair
But the players that haven’t paid for have featured heavily in these lucrative cup games and by the looks of it will gift them a £100m promotion prize over their more financially responsible peers.
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"Promotion" ?
Howay, young Newy - thev not got there yit!
Dont ya know - thes a club, far "up norff" ooo`s goin up automatic lyke.;)
It aint unitud.
(n)
 
Marvanelli said:
Speaking of points deduction.

Wigan just had 3 points deducted for failure of payment of wages to players

www.efl.com

EFL Statement: Wigan Athletic

Wigan Athletic has, with immediate effect, been deducted three points from the 2022/23 Championship table after the Club failed to pay player salaries again in March 2023.
www.efl.com www.efl.com
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I get the points deduction but feel for the players. Imagine from their point of view receiving a points deduction for not getting paid.
 
Bruce said:
Insolvency can be voluntary or involuntary. It's voluntary if you declare you can't pay your debts. It's involuntary if they people you owe money to, demand it back when it's due.

Sheffield Utd look like they have enough money to keep paying players' wages, HMRC and stage games until the end of the season. They are probably making informal agreements with various clubs to delay or stage various repayments. Provided no football clubs demand payment immediately they'll likely squeeze through if they get promoted. The teams they owe money to are likely thinking they're more likely to get paid back in full if Sheffield Utd get promoted than if they go bust so they are incentivised to wait and see.

It's scummy but I don't think the EFL has a trigger to act unless a football entity of some sort calls in a debt. (Don't quote me on that though.)

Think of the likes of Man City. They may be owed a 5 figure sum which hardly even counts as small change for them. They have zero interest in calling in that debt if it makes SU insolvent and has a knock-on effect so they'll wait.

Unless SU have something worse than being late on some debt repayments lurking in the books, they'll be fine. Normally, in this case, the owner would loan them something but clearly there is a massive issue there and with the prospective new owner.

That all said, the players will be hearing about this too and they'll be wondering what it means for them. What may happen is that some of the key players start playing for themselves rather than the team. They'll be protecting themselves from getting injured. If this happens we might see something like what happened to us in 96-97 where players roused themselves for big occasions but not bread and butter matches.

The big risk for SU is that football creditors start to doubt whether they'll get promoted. That said, with the cup run and possible play-offs they may get enough of a cash injection to stave off any issues. If they don't get promoted, though, they are in a Derby-sized hole.
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It's a shame they don't owe us transfer money. That would be an interesting situation
 
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