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FatCat said:
...the population of this country are a disgrace on the whole. They’ve had a lot of financial aid they whinged for Christmas amongst other things, complained their civil liberties were being breached, insisted they wanted pubs open. They couldn’t manage what was asked of them. ...
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TheLodger said:
I think you'll find that was the Tory Press that did all that.
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I'd agree that certain sections of the population have been calling for restrictions to be lifted since they were imposed & this has been promoted and amplified by the media. Ultimately it has been self defeating while other parts of the world that went harder & faster at the beginning have returned to relative normality, we are still in lockdown despite a world leading "NHS" track & trace & vaccination programme.

The current one everyone is banging on about summer holidays. You can't watch or listen to a news broadcast without a minister being questioned on it. Last week it was reopening schools.

You just know at some point the government will cave & do another U-turn, kids will be back in school & then everyone goes on holiday and by autumn cases shoot up again.
 
FatCat said:
I can’t speak for you but ignoring the ads - I didn’t see them as mentioned at the time - I would still be blaming my neighbours opposite who had a party last weekend, my neighbours next door who constantly have people in and out of their house who constantly go out in their car five times a day ( they are retired) her mum is shielding. The neighbours next to them who have a constant stream of family and friends coming around so their kids can play together. The view from many on this board seems to be it’s part of a strategy by the gvt - it’s really not I’m just giving you examples of what I see day in day out on my street- these people are at fault it’s not more complicated than that.
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I can't ignore the ads though. I think it's a really dangerous precedent that we just allow the government to broadcast propaganda used to divide us. Its really worrying. The fact papers like the Telegraph are now playing the same tune is equally disturbing. It appears an over reaction and that's why I hesitate to use it, but this is a similar tactic that Goebbels used in Germany.
 
FatCat said:
the population of this country are a disgrace on the whole
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What an appalling thing to say.
In every aspect of life the good people will always out number the bad.

I genuinely feel sorry for you if that is your attitude towards your fellow man.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Your using your own experience and applying it to every street in the country.

your making assumptions on your own experience
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I’ll admit that but I also speak to people I think many are experiencing the same thing. I would then say this is supported by what you see in the media not the other way around.
 
weemoby said:
What an appalling thing to say.
In every aspect of life the good people will always out number the bad.

I genuinely feel sorry for you if that is your attitude towards your fellow man.
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It was first thing this morning and I was a bit angered by the op - I have since gone on to say that it’s not “on the whole”
 
SmallTown said:
I can't ignore the ads though. I think it's a really dangerous precedent that we just allow the government to broadcast propaganda used to divide us. Its really worrying. The fact papers like the Telegraph are now playing the same tune is equally disturbing. It appears an over reaction and that's why I hesitate to use it, but this is a similar tactic that Goebbels used in Germany.
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Who is to blame for the spread if not people. People are doing what they want - the ads might impact some of them others not so much, I just think talking about strategies and conspiracies diverts away from the root cause of this and that is it is spread by person to person contact.
 
FatCat said:
Who is to blame for the spread if not people. People are doing what they want - the ads might impact some of them others not so much, I just think talking about strategies and conspiracies diverts away from the root cause of this and that is it is spread by person to person contact.
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I see the propaganda is working on you. Look at other countries where the spread isn't as bad as ours. Look at what their governments have done: stricter lockdowns, closing borders, making mask use a legal requirement and compare to what our government have done. Lest we forgot, senior government advisors saw fit to ignore the rules and the entire cabinet defended them. Its hardly going to encourage the population to follow the rules if the government break them and expend a lot of energy defending the people who break them.
 
FatCat said:
Who is to blame for the spread if not people. People are doing what they want - the ads might impact some of them others not so much, I just think talking about strategies and conspiracies diverts away from the root cause of this and that is it is spread by person to person contact.
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You are right but your view is too specific. There are many reasons the virus is spreading and to expect all the population to rigidly observe all the rules all of the time is unrealistic.

There are certain things the government could have done much much better but failed and they know it so their response is to blame the public on this divide and conquer strategy which they know our placid population will buy in enough quantities to get Johnson off the hook.

Its depressing but just a fact of life in this country.

If the Tories give enough of their followers some excuse to hang onto, they will gladly hang on to it.
 
I think this is another example of the government trying to have their cake and eat it. They've introduced sets of restrictions, which by and large have been followed by the majority however they are unwilling to go further and clamp down on ALL breaches of the restrictions, largely as it would result in massive unpopularity.

The cost would also need to be factored but if this pandemic has proved anything, it's the governments ability to squander substantial amounts of public money with little, if any, output.
 
SmallTown said:
I see the propaganda is working on you. Look at other countries where the spread isn't as bad as ours. Look at what their governments have done: stricter lockdowns, closing borders, making mask use a legal requirement and compare to what our government have done. Lest we forgot, senior government advisors saw fit to ignore the rules and the entire cabinet defended them. Its hardly going to encourage the population to follow the rules if the government break them and expend a lot of energy defending the people who break them.
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It’s really not I am just saying what I see. Imagine we don’t have the adverts that you seem to think are causing this do you think people would follow the rules or be emboldened to break them further? This is about people - their personalities, their behaviours, their ability to stay in doors and not have social contact - many simply cannot do it.
 
FatCat said:
It’s really not I am just saying what I see. Imagine we don’t have the adverts that you seem to think are causing this do you think people would follow the rules or be emboldened to break them further? This is about people - their personalities, their behaviours, their ability to stay in doors and not have social contact - many simply cannot do it.
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Do you not think the government being deliberately slow and vague with the rules. Contradicting themselves and defending government officials who break the rules has led to the way the population act.

There's a follow the leader principle here. If those that create and implement the rules are vague and contradictory about those rules. And if they defend their own officials who breaks those rules, do you not think that has had some bearing on how the public react to the rules?
 
Let's be clear the propaganda ads are just enforcing the message and making it easier for people to blame each other. It's a perfect out for the government that has caused so much of this mess.
 
SmallTown said:
Do you not think the government being deliberately slow and vague with the rules. Contradicting themselves and defending government officials who break the rules has led to the way the population act.

There's a follow the leader principle here. If those that create and implement the rules are vague and contradictory about those rules. And if they defend their own officials who breaks those rules, do you not think that has had some bearing on how the public react to the rules?
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Ahhh the old vague rules, I’m confused defence! There have been times when the rules have been clear enough for a three year old to understand. Yet people were still doing what they do.


Speaking of the media of anything they have been the ones stirring trouble “ is a scotch egg a substantial meal” do you remember all that? That wasnt the gvts doing!!
 
HolgateCorner said:
You are right but your view is too specific. There are many reasons the virus is spreading and to expect all the population to rigidly observe all the rules all of the time is unrealistic.

There are certain things the government could have done much much better but failed and they know it so their response is to blame the public on this divide and conquer strategy which they know our placid population will buy in enough quantities to get Johnson off the hook.

Its depressing but just a fact of life in this country.

If the Tories give enough of their followers some excuse to hang onto, they will gladly hang on to it.
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I agree there are many factors at work here, but my response and posts are in response to the op who is blaming one person for a single variant, hence my exasperation!
 
FatCat said:
Ahhh the old vague rules, I’m confused defence! There have been times when the rules have been clear enough for a three year old to understand. Yet people were still doing what they do.


Speaking of the media of anything they have been the ones stirring trouble “ is a scotch egg a substantial meal” do you remember all that? That wasnt the gvts doing!!
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We’re they clear at the beginning? Did they change often? Did we get lockdowns then tiers systems then lockdowns that were called tier systems.

I recall one presser where the prime minister himself said things like “you MUST stay at home unless you have to go to work, in which case you MUST NOT use public transport, unless you have to.” So that’s clear then. Personally I think the rules are pretty clear at the moment, apart from the vaguery of what constitutes a local area. That’s missing the point. The weren’t clear at first and THEY WERE BROKEN BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND THIS WAS DEFENDED BY THE ENTIRE CABINET.

I know you’re trying to ignore that bit but it’s a fact. Maybe THAT has led to the general public not exactly taking things seriously. You are happy to play the propaganda game and happy to do the governments blame the people bidding. However, you seem to have missed the causality
 
FatCat said:
Are you sure - the population of this country are a disgrace on the whole. They’ve had a lot of financial aid they whinged for Christmas amongst other things, complained their civil liberties were being breached, insisted they wanted pubs open. They couldn’t manage what was asked of them. To suggest a specific variant is down to one person is just pathetic!!!
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100% correct, I remember vividly the entire British public being appointed as Chancellor of the Exchequer and bringing in a discounted scheme to help bring money into businesses. And then the entire British public demanded that they themselves must return to working in offices to prevent commercial landlords and Pret-a-Manger going out of business. And then those same members of the entire British public knew about a new more contagious strain of Covid doing the rounds in London in September but didn't impose any severe restrictions till the week before Christmas.

The entire British population are indeed a disgrace, what were they thinking doing the exact opposite of what the plucky, never reactive, doing the best that anyone could under the circumstances government were telling them to?

The mind boggles.
 
The main thing that I will take from this thread is how the OP lit the fuse and then buggered off, which isn't unusual for this place.
 
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