Just Nobby being Nobby, Harry. You know what he's like.As if opposing fascism is 'hate speech'. Jesus wept ...
Just Nobby being Nobby, Harry. You know what he's like.As if opposing fascism is 'hate speech'. Jesus wept ...
He is the figurehead, or one of the major figures of a particularly nasty movement that has been allowed to infiltrate the mainstream. He should not have been given the platform, particularly on the BBC, to spread his racism and appalling views.And no offence Viv, but I don't think you can pin it all on Farage. The opposing view will always have its flag-bearers, he is one of many, and his views are echoed by many. It would be easier to just blame one bloke for this electorate's previous behaviour, or this bill, or blame the BBC because he's been on Question Time two or three times a year, but it is much, much wider than that.
All we can do is vote. I'm confident they'll be consigned to history soon.People are just deeply worried about the way this country is going. The governing party is turning into the national front from years ago. It makes me really angry and I know you will never convince anyone via anger but how low can we let our country go before we get angry ?
He was an elected MEP for years. I agree he's one of the leaders of this Right wing way of thinking that often borders on Far Right, but if it wasn't him it would be someone else. Other major nations have actually elected folk with similar views to him as their actual leader. Farage has never been anywhere near #10.He is the figurehead, or one of the major figures of a particularly nasty movement that has been allowed to infiltrate the mainstream. He should not have been given the platform, particularly on the BBC, to spread his racism and appalling views.
I appreciate it is a much deeper issue than just Farage, but he is one of the main protagonists of the current state of British politics IMO.
Yeah, let's try and understand a bunch of thick, racist, homophobic, transphobic @sreholes and then give them a great big hug.He was an elected MEP for years. I agree he's one of the leaders of this Right wing way of thinking that often borders on Far Right, but if it wasn't him it would be someone else. Other major nations have actually elected folk with similar views to him as their actual leader. Farage has never been anywhere near #10.
The electorate create these people, he was elected! More important, in my opinion, to try and understand the electorate.
Mate, this is the exact attitude that led to Brexit.Yeah, let's try and understand a bunch of thick, racist, homophobic, transphobic @sreholes and then give them a great big hug.
I've given up on this country and I've given up on the electorate. They voted for Brexit. I didn't.Mate, this is the exact attitude that led to Brexit.
I think they will try and rush it through parliament and rely on legal challenges to enact your point about the election.The tory ploy on this must be to make sure this is not passed into law before the general election, or, if it is passed, that it is not implemented due to legal challenges. Then they can put it at the forefront of their election manifesto as saying the leftys are blocking it and if we don't win it will be binned and the country will be deluged with immigrants.
Well, fair enough, but I'd prefer us not to be in a position where a majority of the electorate are thinking that we need to leave the ECRH because Brexit didn't do the trick. It could happen.I've given up on this country and I've given up on the electorate. They voted for Brexit. I didn't.
Starmer is not in charge. You're sort of judging him on something he's not done, or had a chance of improving yet, purely because you want him to sound more angry.As for Starmer, what has he actually said about this? I think he said the plans are “unworkable,” while Yvette Cooper plumped for “chaos.” I mean, that’ll show ‘em. Such tough, tough language. “We need serous action to stop small boar crossings,” she said.
It is chaos because there are no safe routes, because of deliberate underfunding, because of a lack of willingness to cooperate with France, because of a hostile foreign policy, because those in charge wish it to be chaos.
Are you pi$sed or something?As for Starmer, what has he actually said about this? I think he said the plans are “unworkable,” while Yvette Cooper plumped for “chaos.” I mean, that’ll show ‘em. Such touch, touch language. “We need serous action to stop small boar crossings,” she said.
It is chaos because there are no safe routes, because of deliberate underfunding, because of a lack of willingness to cooperate with France, because of a hostile foreign policy, because those in charge wish it to be chaos.
What I don't get is why its saying Nobby said something that Viv said.Are you pi$sed or something?
You criticise Cooper for calling it chaos then describe it as chaos yourself.
No Labour MP will vote for this. Every Tory MP will.
Are you so stupid that you're unable to differentiate between the two?
You all only exist in my head, mate. This entire board is just me arguing with myself.What I don't get is why its saying Nobby said something that Viv said.
My fears are finally confirmed, all the other posters on this board are just one person with different usernames aren't they. Its just me and him/her/them.
I’m criticising Yvette Cooper for standing up as Shadow Home Secretary and choosing the word ‘chaos’ to describe what is happening. She is surely supposed to be the leader of the opposition to this. I will make a point of reading her full comments on this but I expect more condemnation in terms of the scale of dehumanisation involved. It’s appalling. So far we’ve had “chaos” and “unworkable,” which is just not enough IMO.Are you pi$sed or something?
You criticise Cooper for calling it chaos then describe it as chaos yourself.
No Labour MP will vote for this. Every Tory MP will.
Are you so stupid that you're unable to differentiate between the two?
And I can differentiate between the two main parties thank you very much. I don’t like what Starmer is doing with Labour, and he’s been quite open about saying he doesn’t need or want my vote. I won’t be voting for either of them.
That is very strange.What I don't get is why its saying Nobby said something that Viv said.
My fears are finally confirmed, all the other posters on this board are just one person with hundreds of different usernames aren't they. Its just me and him/her/them experimenting with different arguments.
I brought Labour into it because atypical said he thinks bringing this issue into the mainstream or fighting an election on it would blow up in the Tories’ faces. My reply is that I don’t really think it will, because to my mind the opposition are quite happy to go along with quite a lot of what the Tories are saying about these “small boats” instead of just calling it out in straight terms.Well who would have guessed?
Again, another anti-Tory thread gets turned into an anti-Starmer thread.
You need help fella.