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JM14 said:
Even the private healthcare argument makes no sense, someone can be very well off with private health insurance but if they need an emergency ambulance they will still be relying on the nhs to some extent
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No, if they are in a private hospital and need an emergency ambulance only the NHS can provide that and the private hospital would call 999.

The idiots who clandestinely promote a private system don‘t realise that or don’t care, maybe both.
 
Soutra said:
The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Privatization - in this sense - means contracting private companies to provide specialist services. The treatment is provided free.
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No, the Tories want an insurance based system where the level of care reflects how much you can pay.

The same healthcare for all regardless of ability to pay is against Tory ideology.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
My Mrs works in the NHS... the Government is only half the problem (albeit a big part)

GP's still not working at full capacity is having a major impact... it pushes the ones they dont see into hospital
then you get people showing up in A and E with stubbed toes or a runny nose (she had one last week with a finger nail bitten down to the nub that was obviously sore but not something to go to hospital with
then you get the drunks and muppets that cant hold their beer on the weekend
then finally you have zero care in the community, so you cant discharge anyone.

the whole system is fubar and needs full overhaul from the ground up.
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Yeah, yeah, but if you go to a hospital with a bad finger you will be way down the priority list and after a few hours will be sent home with a plaster.

These are just the excuses you hear trotted out by Tories to get rid of the NHS.
 
I have a history of heart conditions - and have had a coronary and a stroke.
Last friday I was ambulanced in again to A&E at Darlington Memorial.
I was taken straight into treatment, but it was staggering the scene in there.
Exhausted staff on their last legs. People piled on trolleys in corridors.
I was 17 hours on a trolley, but luckily had 2 different CT scans and blood tests to rule out coronary, stroke and aortic tear in a harrowing experience.
I was left in a sideroom absolutely freezing, no water, cup of tea or any food, for the last ten hours, with one set of obs before finally being admitted to ward.
Whilst on ward 34 the treatment was great until they were only too happy to release me to create space.

I write this not remotely to complain, or feel sorry for myself.
The First response and ambulance staff saved me and the ER staff did their absolute best in diabolical conditions. The people working in our NHS are fabulous. How they come to work and soldier on in the conditions they endure is absolutely beyond me.
The Doctor in the ER who battled for me was on his knees. He is a bloody hero. He will have been back in to the trenches twice since friday.
Old people dying in distressing scenes, projectile vomiting on staff, fighting off the very people trying to help them, but scared shitless and oblivious of what they were doing.
Shortage of staff, of space, of beds, of equipment, of time.
A shortage of everything, but commitment.
I know it was the holiday period, but it is depressing to be anywhere near A&E in Britain of 2023.
The NHS staff deserve their pay rises, but moreover they need so much more. Trained colleagues, support staff, breaks, equipment, facilities etc etc.
Clapping them through Covid now seems crass. Their workplace has become a national disgrace.
Thanks to all at the Memorial for what they did for me and every other poor unfortunate, despite their working conditions. It was very humbling.
 
I don’t believe even the Tories could get away with full NHS privatisation. The NHS is an institution that everyone in England values and it’s almost a religion in terms of feeling. In 1982 the Tories actually produced a report on replacing the NHS in England with private healthcare and charges for GP appointments. When leaked to the Economist is caused outrage and the Queen Bitch Thatcher backed down.

What the Tories have done for 12 years is under fund it as they always do with every single public service. They hate the thought of public services and will do the bare minimum for all.

Of course, when it comes to health care it’s a very complex situation. Preventable conditions due to lifestyle choices, poor general health due to poverty, huge waiting lists due to lack of funding and a social care system that is broken.
 
Soutra said:
The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Privatization - in this sense - means contracting private companies to provide specialist services. The treatment is provided free.
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Aren't there parts of the NHS that already have private companies working for them or within it?
 
HolgateCorner said:
No, if they are in a private hospital and need an emergency ambulance only the NHS can provide that and the private hospital would call 999.

The idiots who clandestinely promote a private system don‘t realise that or don’t care, maybe both.
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I thought that was the case. It makes the support for this government even more baffling. Healthcare is something which impacts any one of us regardless of financial situation, many people are dying waiting for ambulances and this is going to get much worse before it gets better
 
Soutra said:
You might call me naive, but do you really think any government will advocate miving away from free NHS treatment?

It's electoral suicide.
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They know they are toast at the next election anyway. They’ll try and force it through before that. They’ve already started making the noises about it, just look at Javid’s recent comments.
 
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Randy said:
Aren't there parts of the NHS that already have private companies working for them or within it?
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Yes, a lot of companies supply services to the NHS. It works well where there is some demand for specialist knowledge or equipment but insufficient demand to justify buying those skills or equipment. So contract some company to do it on an as needed basis.

That's pretty good use of resource.

The free at point of treatment thing is sacrosanct though. It won't change.
 
JM14 said:
I thought that was the case. It makes the support for this government even more baffling. Healthcare is something which impacts any one of us regardless of financial situation, many people are dying waiting for ambulances and this is going to get much worse before it gets better
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I think we have a Tory government that (unusually) expects to lose the next election and doesn’t really care anymore beyond keeping the economy stable to safeguard the wealthy end of society at least whilst they are in power.

There doesn’t seem to be a plan for anything any more.
 
Soutra said:
Yes, a

Yes, a lot of companies supply services to the NHS. It works well where there is some demand for specialist knowledge or equipment but insufficient demand to justify buying those skills or equipment. So contract some company to do it on an as needed basis.

That's pretty good use of resource.

The free at point of treatment thing is sacrosanct though. It won't change.
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It’s going well in NHS dentistry isn’t it?
 
Soutra said:
Yes, a

Yes, a lot of companies supply services to the NHS. It works well where there is some demand for specialist knowledge or equipment but insufficient demand to justify buying those skills or equipment. So contract some company to do it on an as needed basis.

That's pretty good use of resource.

The free at point of treatment thing is sacrosanct though. It won't change.
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It’s a good point about what privatisation of the NHS really means and once again shows how the right wing propaganda machine has successfully confused the working class.

For example outsourcing cleaning services to competitive tender sounds sensible and economical, how can that be a bad thing, you still get the cleaning done hopefully for less cost?

But privatising the funding side of things so instead of central government paying the bill, the individual starts to pay through health insurance??

How many would be happy with that?

The Tories love confusing the poor people.
 
sherlock1969 said:
They know they are toast at the next election anyway. They’ll try and force it through before that. They’ve already started making the noises about it, just look at Javid’s recent comments.
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Sajid Javid - and all of his useless colleagues - always affirm the 'free at point of treatment' thing. I have no idea what they intend to reform, or how, but here's the scary thing - they don't either.

The NHS does need reform though, just throwing money at it is not going to help it in the short or medium term. There needs to be a holistic plan for healthcare from GPs to hospitals to carehomes to prevention. At the moment it's just a horrible expensive kludge.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Yeah, yeah, but if you go to a hospital with a bad finger you will be way down the priority list and after a few hours will be sent home with a plaster.

These are just the excuses you hear trotted out by Tories to get rid of the NHS.
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I have confirmed the main issue is the government and then expressed real life examples of other issues adding to the problem…

And then you accuse me of making excuses and being a Tory voter?

My wife works for the NHS… why the fcuk would I vote for a party actively destroying her 18 year career?


Are you on glue?
 
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