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Acklam_Lad said:
I have confirmed the main issue is the government and then expressed real life examples of other issues adding to the problem…

And then you accuse me of making excuses and being a Tory voter?

My wife works for the NHS… why the fcuk would I vote for a party actively destroying her 18 year career?


Are you on glue?
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I didn’t say you were a Tory, apologies if it came across like that, I didn’t mean to abuse or insult you.

I appreciate the point you were making but I think those real life issues of day to day time wasters are inevitable and are bum fluff when it comes to the real problems of the NHS.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I didn’t say you were a Tory, apologies if it came across like that, I didn’t mean to abuse or insult you.

I appreciate the point you were making but I think those real life issues of day to day time wasters are inevitable and are bum fluff when it comes to the real problems of the NHS.
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They are real life issues which undoubtedly do contribute to the issues we see in a&e. It’s purpose is for urgent treatment yet it’s completely abused by so many people. Large amounts of this are likely down to other services already being cut to the bone so that a&e is the only thing available for some people, but Acklam is completely correct with his point and it has to be a contributing factor.
The amount of people willing to take up a gp/hospital appointment with a very minor illness is a joke
 
Huge swathes of the NHS budget goes to suppliers who make fortunes from contracts. I was a clinician and a manager in the NHS for nearly 30 years and had to order clinical and other equipment through a central provider. To give you some idea of what goes on just before I retired I ordered 20 boxes of 5ml ×100 syringes , 4 filing cabinets and 4 printers. I looked online at a Clinical supplier , Staples and Currys. The total cost would have been £520.
The order for exactly the same brands /sizes and amounts ordered via Central providers came to £3,480 and thats who provided them..
I was that shocked at the difference I took the invoice to a divisional managers meeting and pointed out the difference and that it was for one order when 10s of thousands of these orders are made in the NHS every day. I was met with shrugs and "that's the way it is ".
There are huge savings in the hundreds of millions that could be made and spent elsewhere if the budget wasn't spread around the wrong peoples "friends".
 
JM14 said:
They are real life issues which undoubtedly do contribute to the issues we see in a&e. It’s purpose is for urgent treatment yet it’s completely abused by so many people. Large amounts of this are likely down to other services already being cut to the bone so that a&e is the only thing available for some people, but Acklam is completely correct with his point and it has to be a contributing factor.
The amount of people willing to take up a gp/hospital appointment with a very minor illness is a joke
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Agree to some point.
A&E is the only portal left open for many.The knock on effect of Tory Cuts means:
Police often take on the role of social workers - particularly in the cases of mental health. Services not designed to do the job of welfare and support in the community are being pushed onto those services not designed to cope with those issues. There is a huge shortage of social workers and nurses.
The risk barrier for both mental health services and social workers is set so high, people have to be on the tipping point before the support clicks into place

Elderley care in the community is down to the bone. Inadequate access to primary care means the elderley, disabled and those unable to support themselves - are left to fend for themselves without any support. It means they go without, resulting in injury, illness and death - which is preventable.
There are no longer support services in the community like there used to be.

Drop-in and community centres used to provide a local support service for the elderley, the infirm, those with mental health issues, the disabled. Their value in monitoring people, protecting their mental health, providing advice and a cheap hot meal and a place to share information and give people a safe space to go - has been taken away.

Any remnants of a once proud welfare system are completely unable to cope in an economy entirely focused on private profit in the pockets of the few.
What we have witnessed in the last 40 years has been the deliberate dismantling and selling off of Beveridge`s Welfare State "from the cradle to the grave". Its been dismantled by stealth, because it would have been unable to impliment if the public knew exactly what was happening. It would have created huge resistence. The cost of living with no support and adequate services to meet basic human need is responsible for all the ills we know exist already...we dont need reminding.Charities are a plaster on gangerine.

American "healthcare" has arrived. Just what those politicians and Prime-ministers from Thatcher to today wanted to achieve.
None of what we had was given to the many by the few. It had to be fought for. Unless you fight everyday to maintain what we have - its taken away.
People have been lead up the garden path - and those news media owned by a few billionaires who perpetuate myths and divide-and-rule will continue to lie to us - because its in their interests.
 
JM14 said:
They are real life issues which undoubtedly do contribute to the issues we see in a&e. It’s purpose is for urgent treatment yet it’s completely abused by so many people. Large amounts of this are likely down to other services already being cut to the bone so that a&e is the only thing available for some people, but Acklam is completely correct with his point and it has to be a contributing factor.
The amount of people willing to take up a gp/hospital appointment with a very minor illness is a joke
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Again, appreciate the point but I think it is wrong, you have to accept that in today’s society -

1. the public are bombarded with health advice in the media which often encourages them to get minor problems checked out to ensure early diagnosis of cancer, infection, sepsis, meningitis etc etc. No wonder we have a paranoid population.

2. you have to accept significant proportions of the general public are a bit stupid.

3. It is not beyond the NHS to have a simple filtering system, and I think they unofficially have that now, there are much bigger problems than this.

I have a daughter who is a medical professional in the NHS so I’m not posting with total ignorance.
 
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