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JM14

JM14

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Just how bad can things actually get? A top doctor warning that 500 extra deaths being caused every week by delays. Some people waiting 12 hours for an ambulance, up to 20 hours wait in A&E. Hope people remember this next time they vote as it’s probably the biggest issue any one of us will face in the coming years
 
There is no question that successive Tory governments have blood on their hands. Lots of blood.
They have sat back and allowed this to happen, in fact they have facilitated it as it has always been their goal, to run the NHS down to the point of collapse so the public accept that a complete change is necessary and they can sell it off and line their pockets and those of their mates. Public assets that we all own and use, taken from us and put into the hands of private interests who see it, and us, as an untapped cash cow bonanza.
A few hundred of us minions dying every week is small price to pay for their goal of making a few extra quid for them and their chums.

There is no longer any excuse whatsoever for anybody other than multi-millionaires who have good private healthcare, kids in private education etc to vote Tory.

To avoid turning this into a Labour thing, it doesn’t mean you must vote Labour. It just means NOT voting Tory and for the continuation of this.
 
JM14 said:
Just how bad can things actually get? A top doctor warning that 500 extra deaths being caused every week by delays. Some people waiting 12 hours for an ambulance, up to 20 hours wait in A&E. Hope people remember this next time they vote as it’s probably the biggest issue any one of us will face in the coming years
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My Mrs works in the NHS... the Government is only half the problem (albeit a big part)

GP's still not working at full capacity is having a major impact... it pushes the ones they dont see into hospital
then you get people showing up in A and E with stubbed toes or a runny nose (she had one last week with a finger nail bitten down to the nub that was obviously sore but not something to go to hospital with
then you get the drunks and muppets that cant hold their beer on the weekend
then finally you have zero care in the community, so you cant discharge anyone.

the whole system is fubar and needs full overhaul from the ground up.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
There is no question that successive Tory governments have blood on their hands. Lots of blood.
They have sat back and allowed this to happen, in fact they have facilitated it as it has always been their goal, to run the NHS down to the point of collapse so the public accept that a complete change is necessary and they can sell it off and line their pockets and those of their mates. Public assets that we all own and use, taken from us and put into the hands of private interests who see it, and us, as an untapped cash cow bonanza.
A few hundred of us minions dying every week is small price to pay for their goal of making a few extra quid for them and their chums.

There is no longer any excuse whatsoever for anybody other than multi-millionaires who have good private healthcare, kids in private education etc to vote Tory.

To avoid turning this into a Labour thing, it doesn’t mean you must vote Labour. It just means NOT voting Tory and for the continuation of this.
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Even the private healthcare argument makes no sense, someone can be very well off with private health insurance but if they need an emergency ambulance they will still be relying on the nhs to some extent
 
Acklam_Lad said:
My Mrs works in the NHS... the Government is only half the problem (albeit a big part)

GP's still not working at full capacity is having a major impact... it pushes the ones they dont see into hospital
then you get people showing up in A and E with stubbed toes or a runny nose (she had one last week with a finger nail bitten down to the nub that was obviously sore but not something to go to hospital with
then you get the drunks and muppets that cant hold their beer on the weekend
then finally you have zero care in the community, so you cant discharge anyone.

the whole system is fubar and needs full overhaul from the ground up.
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All of what you said is traced back to funding, which is 100% a government issue.

People are going to A&E unnecessarily because it's a nightmare to get a GP appointment, it's a nightmare to get a GP appointment because there's not enough of them and there's not enough of them because more are leaving than being trained.

Community care has been woefully neglected which feeds into everything else. People getting drunk and doing stupid things should never be something that breaks A&E, but we are there because of the massive underfunding of everything else.
 
JM14 said:
Even the private healthcare argument makes no sense, someone can be very well off with private health insurance but if they need an emergency ambulance they will still be relying on the nhs to some extent
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But would the ambulance service not be private also? Like a glorified taxi? If there is money to be made, the Tories will be all over it.
Ambulance called - £100. A&E consultation £300. Hospital service £££££££££.
The poor will die in their hundreds of thousands.....and the Tories and Tufton St. neoliberal obsessives will not give one solitary sh*t. Not one.
Bleak future for the NHS unless something radical is done 😳😳
 
We are indeed approaching the point when the torys kill the last part of the NHS that isn't already privatised. At which point millions of people will find themselves unable to get health treatment because they can't afford or are blocked from getting insurance. Insurance companies which have tory MPs and ministers on their boards. And they will smile while they do it.
 
Excess deaths have been high for however long.
Underfunded, basically shutting it down for two years, GP's only doing phone appointments.
 
Chris_Boro said:
People are going to A&E unnecessarily because it's a nightmare to get a GP appointment, it's a nightmare to get a GP appointment because there's not enough of them and there's not enough of them because more are leaving than being trained.
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And there's not enough of them because they voted to limit training places as it would "risk devaluing the profession"

BMA vote
 
And, as with everything else, all this bunch of F***ing shithead ***** of a government do is comment with some BS statistic about record numbers of staff being recruited. No acknowledgement of the issue, just lies and obfuscation.
 
The new covid variant XBB1.5 is about to make things a whole lot worse. Evades immunity from previous infection and from vaccination, doesn’t show up reliably on tests and has an R rate of 18 or more.

Time to double down on precautions like masks, ventilation and air filtering.
 
h_m_boro said:
But would the ambulance service not be private also? Like a glorified taxi? If there is money to be made, the Tories will be all over it.
Ambulance called - £100. A&E consultation £300. Hospital service £££££££££.
The poor will die in their hundreds of thousands.....and the Tories and Tufton St. neoliberal obsessives will not give one solitary sh*t. Not one.
Bleak future for the NHS unless something radical is done 😳😳
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The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Privatization - in this sense - means contracting private companies to provide specialist services. The treatment is provided free.
 
Soutra said:
The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Privatization - in this sense - means contracting private companies to provide specialist services. The treatment is provided free.
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Contracting of services has been going on for years and is largely completed. The only thing left to destroy is the free treatment at point of delivery.
 
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