The EU is only becoming ever more divided by the month.
Its relative silence on the Hong Kong issue was telling.
It never looked "really likely" that Leave would win. I was surprised and delighted when the vote came back. Turkish positioning did not change anything. Dirty tricks were played on both sides of the campaign; it seems they always are these days.
As regards veto and referendums, let's remember there was no referendum for Lisbon or Maastricht. Why are you so sure Adi that there would be one for future seismic changes. In my opinion there would not be.
Like so many things on this board it is assumed that how people feel about groups of very different things are all exactly the same.
The EU is only becoming ever more divided by the month.
Its relative silence on the Hong Kong issue was telling.
...and that was only at Trump's behest.The EU criticised China over the security law and imposed sanctions on technical exports to China. Apart fro Huawei (import) we've done nothing.
Apart from citizenship for 3 million Hong Kongers, you mean.The EU criticised China over the security law and imposed sanctions on technical exports to China. Apart fro Huawei (import) we've done nothing.
No sanctions on exports and citizenship that they won't be able to embrace.Apart from citizenship for 3 million Hong Kongers, you mean.
I'd argue the UK breaking up has been made far more likely by brexit. So wouldn't that be an effect of brexit if it happens?
You cannot say with any degree of certainty that Turkey has no impact. The fact that so much money was spent on social media ads in the last 7 days and that such campaign mirrored a swing in voter intention suggests it might.
Dirty tricks doing some heavy lifting there too since the scale and extent of the ‘tricks’ were simply not comparable.
There was no legal requirement for there to be a referendum in relation to either Treaty. There is a legal requirement in relation to, for example, implementing a common defence policy.
Let's be honest,you are a bit of a Tory boy!An interesting assumption based on no knowledge of how people on here actually voted in the election. What about the Brexit supporting Labour voters like me, there were a fair few of us, I’m sure. Not everyone voting for Brexit voted Tory. Clearly a lot did, but it is sad to attack the democratic (albeit flawed) vote. The reason Labour lost was more to do with the centre ground not stomaching Corbyn and his cronies (imho) than it was to do with their brexit strategy.
At least Corbyn has gone and the party will be electable again in 2024, we can all celebrate that bit of positivity I guess who knows, maybe by then if brexit is the disaster remainer‘s fear, which I don’t think it will be, re-entry is always an option. I always find once a decision is made, it is best to pull together to make it work as best we all can rather than squabble about things. Every country has a proportion of its residents who like and disapprove of Government policies. I am more worried about the UK eventually breaking up than I am about the effects of brexit or remain.
Let's be honest,you are a bit of a Tory boy!
I've literally linked it on this page, ffs, you're not that simple.
The European federal state in 2020
The European Army
Turkey to join the EU
£350 million to the NHS
Let's take back control
were the principal messages
Not to mention that it was also all built on the premise that we’d get a deal that would allow us to have our cake and eat it, the easiest in human history and that it would never be a ‘no deal’ under any circumstances.....
Last I knew we are in negotiations tbf Adi, you are jumping the gun a little, some reports today that the EU have dropped some of their red lines, we will allow some access for fishing in due course and a deal will be agreed. All part of the negotiating position. (Imho naturally)
Not established as yet and if true, only due to CCP despotism. Increase to 45% tax rate means that international business will get out of HK sharpish.citizenship that they won't be able to embrace.
I accept that is likely the remain angle, but not the biggest reason for me. I think the fact that the SNP are so huge in Scotland and Labours failure to recapture the hearts and minds of those who were traditional Scottish Labour voters is the bigger issue. Sturgeon and Salmon before were very adept at spinning their Scottish devolution dream and building up their promises keeping Independence up their sleeves. They built well on Labours losses at elections 2007 onwards. They have cleverly taken the disillusioned Labour and Lib Dem Voters through their manifesto policies. I think many voters that switched never thought Independance would be achieved.
The Cameron, May and now Johnson Governments helped them get a stranglehold on the nation and with Labour shooting itself in the foot by moving to the left under Corbyn sealed the deal that many of the former Labour voters have been lost for good. I am convinced that little will change and fear that anyone allowing another Independence referendum will see the separation. Brexit whilst an issue is more likely just the final straw. I think even if remain had won, the independence issue would have happened due to Labours permanent (imho) demise over the border, brexit may end up speeding it up slightly I guess.
I’m not jumping any gun.
The EU dropping it’s red lines
Fair enough! Probably be a big impact on northern Ireland too though of course.