Neil Warnock on Brexit: I cannot wait to get out of the EU!

[QUOTE=" I am more worried about the UK eventually breaking up than I am about the effects of brexit or remain.[/QUOTE]

I'd argue the UK breaking up has been made far more likely by brexit. So wouldn't that be an effect of brexit if it happens?
 
It never looked "really likely" that Leave would win. I was surprised and delighted when the vote came back. Turkish positioning did not change anything. Dirty tricks were played on both sides of the campaign; it seems they always are these days.
As regards veto and referendums, let's remember there was no referendum for Lisbon or Maastricht. Why are you so sure Adi that there would be one for future seismic changes. In my opinion there would not be.

Like so many things on this board it is assumed that how people feel about groups of very different things are all exactly the same.
 
The EU is only becoming ever more divided by the month.
Its relative silence on the Hong Kong issue was telling.
 
indeedido said:
It never looked "really likely" that Leave would win. I was surprised and delighted when the vote came back. Turkish positioning did not change anything. Dirty tricks were played on both sides of the campaign; it seems they always are these days.
As regards veto and referendums, let's remember there was no referendum for Lisbon or Maastricht. Why are you so sure Adi that there would be one for future seismic changes. In my opinion there would not be.

Like so many things on this board it is assumed that how people feel about groups of very different things are all exactly the same.
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You cannot say with any degree of certainty that Turkey has no impact. The fact that so much money was spent on social media ads in the last 7 days and that such campaign mirrored a swing in voter intention suggests it might.

Dirty tricks doing some heavy lifting there too since the scale and extent of the ‘tricks’ were simply not comparable.

There was no legal requirement for there to be a referendum in relation to either Treaty. There is a legal requirement in relation to, for example, implementing a common defence policy.
 
Colin Warnek said:
The EU is only becoming ever more divided by the month.
Its relative silence on the Hong Kong issue was telling.
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The EU criticised China over the security law and imposed sanctions on technical exports to China. Apart fro Huawei (import) we've done nothing.
 
festa5 said:
I'd argue the UK breaking up has been made far more likely by brexit. So wouldn't that be an effect of brexit if it happens?
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I accept that is likely the remain angle, but not the biggest reason for me. I think the fact that the SNP are so huge in Scotland and Labours failure to recapture the hearts and minds of those who were traditional Scottish Labour voters is the bigger issue. Sturgeon and Salmon before were very adept at spinning their Scottish devolution dream and building up their promises keeping Independence up their sleeves. They built well on Labours losses at elections 2007 onwards. They have cleverly taken the disillusioned Labour and Lib Dem Voters through their manifesto policies. I think many voters that switched never thought Independance would be achieved.

The Cameron, May and now Johnson Governments helped them get a stranglehold on the nation and with Labour shooting itself in the foot by moving to the left under Corbyn sealed the deal that many of the former Labour voters have been lost for good. I am convinced that little will change and fear that anyone allowing another Independence referendum will see the separation. Brexit whilst an issue is more likely just the final straw. I think even if remain had won, the independence issue would have happened due to Labours permanent (imho) demise over the border, brexit may end up speeding it up slightly I guess.
 
Adi_Dem said:
You cannot say with any degree of certainty that Turkey has no impact. The fact that so much money was spent on social media ads in the last 7 days and that such campaign mirrored a swing in voter intention suggests it might.

Dirty tricks doing some heavy lifting there too since the scale and extent of the ‘tricks’ were simply not comparable.

There was no legal requirement for there to be a referendum in relation to either Treaty. There is a legal requirement in relation to, for example, implementing a common defence policy.
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The European federal state in 2020
The European Army
Turkey to join the EU
£350 million to the NHS
Let's take back control

were the principal messages
 
coluka said:
An interesting assumption based on no knowledge of how people on here actually voted in the election. What about the Brexit supporting Labour voters like me, there were a fair few of us, I’m sure. Not everyone voting for Brexit voted Tory. Clearly a lot did, but it is sad to attack the democratic (albeit flawed) vote. The reason Labour lost was more to do with the centre ground not stomaching Corbyn and his cronies (imho) than it was to do with their brexit strategy.

At least Corbyn has gone and the party will be electable again in 2024, we can all celebrate that bit of positivity I guess :p who knows, maybe by then if brexit is the disaster remainer‘s fear, which I don’t think it will be, re-entry is always an option. I always find once a decision is made, it is best to pull together to make it work as best we all can rather than squabble about things. Every country has a proportion of its residents who like and disapprove of Government policies. I am more worried about the UK eventually breaking up than I am about the effects of brexit or remain.
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Let's be honest,you are a bit of a Tory boy!
 
hopesoboro said:
Let's be honest,you are a bit of a Tory boy!
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BoroBen92 said:
I've literally linked it on this page, ffs, you're not that simple.
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I appreciate BoroBen92’s comment was in respect of another thread to you hopeless, but your previous comment to me just proves that you seemingly are, without doubt you are ‘gifted’ in some way though. I am only responsible for what i write, not what you understand.
 
bear66 said:
The European federal state in 2020
The European Army
Turkey to join the EU
£350 million to the NHS
Let's take back control

were the principal messages
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Not to mention that it was also all built on the premise that we’d get a deal that would allow us to have our cake and eat it, the easiest in human history and that it would never be a ‘no deal’ under any circumstances.....
 
Adi_Dem said:
Not to mention that it was also all built on the premise that we’d get a deal that would allow us to have our cake and eat it, the easiest in human history and that it would never be a ‘no deal’ under any circumstances.....
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Last I knew we are in negotiations tbf Adi, you are jumping the gun a little, some reports today that the EU have dropped some of their red lines, we will allow some access for fishing in due course and a deal will be agreed. All part of the negotiating position. (Imho naturally)
 
coluka said:
Last I knew we are in negotiations tbf Adi, you are jumping the gun a little, some reports today that the EU have dropped some of their red lines, we will allow some access for fishing in due course and a deal will be agreed. All part of the negotiating position. (Imho naturally)
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I’m not jumping any gun.

The EU dropping it’s red lines 🤦‍♂️
 
coluka said:
I accept that is likely the remain angle, but not the biggest reason for me. I think the fact that the SNP are so huge in Scotland and Labours failure to recapture the hearts and minds of those who were traditional Scottish Labour voters is the bigger issue. Sturgeon and Salmon before were very adept at spinning their Scottish devolution dream and building up their promises keeping Independence up their sleeves. They built well on Labours losses at elections 2007 onwards. They have cleverly taken the disillusioned Labour and Lib Dem Voters through their manifesto policies. I think many voters that switched never thought Independance would be achieved.

The Cameron, May and now Johnson Governments helped them get a stranglehold on the nation and with Labour shooting itself in the foot by moving to the left under Corbyn sealed the deal that many of the former Labour voters have been lost for good. I am convinced that little will change and fear that anyone allowing another Independence referendum will see the separation. Brexit whilst an issue is more likely just the final straw. I think even if remain had won, the independence issue would have happened due to Labours permanent (imho) demise over the border, brexit may end up speeding it up slightly I guess.
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Fair enough! Probably be a big impact on northern Ireland too though of course.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I’m not jumping any gun.

The EU dropping it’s red lines 🤦‍♂️
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Oh righto, No deal has happened then has it and these ongoing talks can’t be happening at present. Oh, and these reports coming from Brussels that Barnier Is willing to soften his demands to break the deadlock in some areas must be false then, fair enough, thanks for putting me right :unsure: 🤦‍♂️
 
festa5 said:
Fair enough! Probably be a big impact on northern Ireland too though of course.
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I agree, I am sure once Scotland goes Northern Ireland may seek a referendum. A united Ireland may well even happen beforehand. If that does happen Brexit would likely be the vehicle that caused it. I am sure our Russian friends will be doing their best behind the scenes to try to influence both events.
 
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