National Lockdown from Wednesday

parnabyscrosses said:
I wouldn't call someone being skeptical about taking a brand new vaccine a nutter. I'm all for vaccines in most cases but to be comfortable with taking a covid vaccine so soon is being more of a 'nutter' than those who are cautious about it.
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I'm not on about people worried about potential health impacts, but there are plenty of people who are refusing to get tested as they think it's a government control plot, if they won't get tested for that reason then I can't see them getting vaccinated.

Should be mandatory in my eyes, as long as the risks are minimal.
 
Pog said:
You’re naive in the extreme if you think they’re limiting themselves to one group.

You trust them more to stay at University and not socialise outside their small group than you do to get tested, go home and isolate themselves from their households?

University campuses are super spreaders, which is how nearly 800 tested positive at Northumbria Uni last month.

You simply wouldn’t get anywhere near those numbers at home.
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For balance, my child has not been into their university for 3 weeks and lives with 2 people. And as far as I am aware they’re not all having massive parties with hundreds of people every weekend.

You had the big spike when they were returned to uni campuses (which should’ve have been managed better) at a time when the government had chosen to allow pubs etc to remain open.
now, I fail to see how they’re any different from an employee working from home. Apart from their incredibly strong immune systems and general distaste for mixing with older people :)
 
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If only they had acted a few weeks ago when SAGE advised it! As for students at Teesside anyway they have been attending classes in person albeit in reduced numbers and only about half their normal ones. Universities should have gone all online from the start but they were worried about losing numbers, that was a big mistake IMO.
 
dooderooni said:
I said as much the other day and I'll say as much again, lockdowns are the only tools we have left because we, as a nation, from those at the very top through to those at the very bottom are victims of our own arrogance and self-importance.
Had we all bitten the bullet and done our utmost to stop the spread of the virus early on then we could have been in the same situation as New Zealand in being able to effectively target any infections and control them.
From Johnson shaking Covid patients hands, through Cummings flouting lockdown and testing his eyes while Dorries goes on a train trek and the general public thinking it'll only be like the flu so there's no harm popping round someone's house for a chat and a cuppa, our economic and mental downfall is a result of our own actions.
Yes, many have been good citizens, but they are the ones staying at home watching the Cup final while far too many have sneaked up to the fence and are either watching it through the gaps or full on jumping over the fence and saying F the consequences.
I'm against lockdown for all sorts of reasons, but we are as complicit in this absolute clusterfook as any of our so-called leaders.
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I understand your frustration Dood but this lies only at the feet of our leaders. Without closing borders it wouldn't matter what the populace did we were importing the virus early in the year.

We then had EOTHO.

Then comes a tier system where the only direction for an area is up.

Where we are now has nothing to do with compliance or lack of compliance. It is Only to do with the decisions made by Johnson.
 
It is strange to think there are people walking around now who are completely unaware they are already dead. No symptoms now, but in the space of the next 4 weeks they will have developed some, then self isolated, then been admitted to hospital, then transferred to an ICU, then into a body bag.
 
Lefty said:
It is strange to think there are people walking around now who are completely unaware they are already dead. No symptoms now, but in the space of the next 4 weeks they will have developed some, then self isolated, then been admitted to hospital, then transferred to an ICU, then into a body bag.
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That is brutal, never really thought of it like that, but I probably tried to block that out on purpose!

I keep thinking more about those in the "not at risk" categories, that don't have symptoms, who are just walking around and not paying any attention to the rules, actively spreading the virus, without a care in the world. Makes me sick.

Again, last night drove past about 8 independent take always, mask use of the workers was next to non-existent in a lot of the shops. There was even two in Stockton Domino's not wearing masks, which surprised me with that being more reputable.

The government are $hit, the government are not listening to science or acting far too late and too many of the public don't give a toss, it's not a recipe for success. Just feel so sorry for those that work over James Cook and North Tees (which is a lot of my family and friends).
 
BoroBen92 said:
I'm not on about people worried about potential health impacts, but there are plenty of people who are refusing to get tested as they think it's a government control plot, if they won't get tested for that reason then I can't see them getting vaccinated.

Should be mandatory in my eyes, as long as the risks are minimal.
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the last bit is important. as we don’t know what long term effects are therefore we don’t know the risks of injecting covid into us
 
Lefty said:
It is strange to think there are people walking around now who are completely unaware they are already dead. No symptoms now, but in the space of the next 4 weeks they will have developed some, then self isolated, then been admitted to hospital, then transferred to an ICU, then into a body bag.
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I understand what you're saying... but to be fair you could argue someone in London is walking around this weekend, unaware they are going to hit by the number 4 bus in Hackney on Tuesday
 
GazC_MFC said:
the last bit is important. as we don’t know what long term effects are therefore we don’t know the risks of injecting covid into us
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Would you take it now (the Oxford one), without knowing the long term effects?

I think I would, if I could see the data we had up to now and if the modellers though it would help. I think the risk to me would be low, compared to the damage I could unknowingly do, if I caught it and spread it, without knowing.

As an individual, me taking it probably wouldn't really help much though, as I obey they rules, I'm under 40, work from home anyway (have done for 5 years) and don't have any grand parents or people at risk I could pass it onto. My mum, brother and step-dad have all had it, so me taking it wouldn't benefit them either, and the missus family are 300 miles away. It would probably be better for a shop worker or someone who regularly interacts with hundreds took mine in my place.

I would have though there has to be some merit in offering it to old/ at risk people that want it though, when there's an outbreak like this?
 
It’s been coming since the blobby cretin chickened out of a short circuit breaker a couple of weeks back.

Every bad decision made since this started has resulted in this, helped by the actions of a small number of people who don‘t abide by the rules. Decision making has been shocking, presumably as it’s all driven by data from social media.
 
Laughing said:
I understand your frustration Dood but this lies only at the feet of our leaders. Without closing borders it wouldn't matter what the populace did we were importing the virus early in the year.

We then had EOTHO.

Then comes a tier system where the only direction for an area is up.

Where we are now has nothing to do with compliance or lack of compliance. It is Only to do with the decisions made by Johnson.
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Just because we're governed by a bunch of tosspots doesn't let us off the hook.
Yes, our leadership plummeted us into the grip of the pandemic, but surely people have seen some of the scenes inside hospitals, heard the accounts from doctors and nurses about how they are going above and beyond to try and save people and the effects it's having on them?
Watch this then come back and tell me you can not blame those who are willfully ignoring the rules and keeping the pressure on all our medical staff and indirectly affecting the care and treatment of thousands and thousands of non-covid patients for good measure.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
It’s been coming since the blobby cretin chickened out of a short circuit breaker a couple of weeks back.

Every bad decision made since this started has resulted in this, helped by the actions of a small number of people who don‘t abide by the rules. Decision making has been shocking, presumably as it’s all driven by data from social media.
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Johnson's leadership is disastrous. Completely out of his depth and he should realise that himself and make way for somebody else - goodness knows who though.
 
Statto1 said:
Would you take it now (the Oxford one), without knowing the long term effects?

I think I would, if I could see the data we had up to now and if the modellers though it would help. I think the risk to me would be low, compared to the damage I could unknowingly do, if I caught it and spread it, without knowing.

As an individual, me taking it probably wouldn't really help much though, as I obey they rules, I'm under 40, work from home anyway (have done for 5 years) and don't have any grand parents or people at risk I could pass it onto. My mum, brother and step-dad have all had it, so me taking it wouldn't benefit them either, and the missus family are 300 miles away. It would probably be better for a shop worker or someone who regularly interacts with hundreds took mine in my place.

I would have though there has to be some merit in offering it to old/ at risk people that want it though, when there's an outbreak like this?
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I don’t think I would take it just quite yet. I’m not at risk and they’ll be enough compliance with other people that I should have an option.

I get the flu jab, because I have full faith in that due to length it’s been around and it’s long term effects
 
Tryasize10 said:
I felt like that last night too mate, I'm in Manchester and it almost feels like we've never been out of lockdown. Hope you feeling a bit better this morning anyway. I'm just trying to keep myself busy and not letting the ***** weather keep me indoors.
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I don’t feel better to be fair. Looked at the loft hatch and considered banging myself from it about an hour ago. Was diagnosed as clinically depressed last year. The loneliness and isolation of lockdown and being forced to work at home with little or no daily contact just intensified my depression to the extent that I broke down in summer and had to take six weeks off work. Soul destroying. Only plus side is I’ve taken up walking and running and I can now run 10km. When I run I forget about it. But it’s just F***ing ***ed down with rain for the past month. Let’s just pray football doesn’t stop.

As for the government Announcing this on a Friday night on the front page of the daily mail. Utterly utterly Despicable.
 
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