Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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Does anybody have an inkling as to whether the travel corridor with Sweden is staying open? Due to be in Stockholm a week tomorrow.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Ok I'll take your point re the 4,000 but why is this left open for us to interpret.

My whole point is, you guys think we're cherry picking we think you guys are cherry picking.

It's the duty of the press to ask the hard questions of people on both sides of the aisle and the scientists on all sides.

If it's a simple matter of one of us is wrong then have it out in interviews on BBC 1 at 9pm every Monday, bring the data, bring the arguments have the debates. Every decision is costing deaths, billions, livelihoods, freedoms, mental health we need better than look at this graph here and 'so what time on Thursday will we be getting locked down exactly?'.

It's not happening, that's why we're getting divided so badly.
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Very good point Alvez. I don't they would though as I genuinely believe their starting points for 'modeling' is fundamentally flawed - and they must know it.

I was on completely the opposite side of the argument when this started and was very much of the view that we should have introduced measures much earlier than we did given what we saw happening in Spain/Italy. I was in favour of "lockdown", believed the 'modeling'.

However, after reading and reading I believe the 'modeling' is fundamentally flawed and that has led to the doomsday scenarios outlined.

If we genuinely had a population 100% susceptible then I (and many others) would be completely behind putting in whatever measures *might* help to suppress until treatments or vaccines came along. This virus is not in that category. Nasty yes, but we have lost all sense of proportion.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Stefan Lofven’s latest change in direction is lockdown in all but name.


"This is the new norm for the whole society, for all of Sweden. Don't go to the gym. Don't go to the library. Don't have dinners. Don't have parties. Cancel."

You know - that kind of “lockdown”
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Please link me to this article because I can't find anything about a national lockdown in Sweden and the restrictions they have are the equivalent of around tier 1 here in certain regions, that I can find.

Edit - cancel that I googled your quote, you forgot to mention restrictions meaning you can't meet up with more than 8 people and that they aren't having a lockdown and you can still go to the gym. 👍🏻
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Stefan Lofven’s latest change in direction is lockdown in all but name.


"This is the new norm for the whole society, for all of Sweden. Don't go to the gym. Don't go to the library. Don't have dinners. Don't have parties. Cancel."

You know - that kind of “lockdown”
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Sweden, the country held up as the example of how to deal with Covid has effectively gone into a Tier 1/2 kind of lockdown. Amazing. So what does that do to all these people proclaiming that the Swedish model is the one to follow?

The rate keeps going up and up and winter is coming, they are only going to lockdown further.

So who is the next example of how to deal with Covid without locking down then? Shall we all follow Turkmenistan? :rolleyes:
 
MolteniArcore said:
Sweden, the country held up as the example of how to deal with Covid has effectively gone into a Tier 1/2 kind of lockdown. Amazing. So what does that do to all these people proclaiming that the Swedish model is the one to follow?

The rate keeps going up and up and winter is coming, they are only going to lockdown further.

So who is the next example of how to deal with Covid without locking down then? Shall we all follow Turkmenistan? :rolleyes:
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Please do explain how meeting up with up to 8 people and still being able to do everything is a tier 2.5 lockdown?
 
GazC_MFC said:
meeting up with 8 people is a restriction
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But our tier 1 is meet up to 6 people right? Thus how is meeting up to 8 people more of a restriction i.e. a 2.5 tier?

I mean right now I'd be all over that tier having gone from tier 1 to lockdown. 🤣
 
He's done a swift edit when he got caught out.. they've had restrictions since the start that's the whole point.
You put me in tier 1 right now I'd take it, makes the same level of difference to what we're doing but helps people's mental health at least.
 
Sweden have had a run of relative freedom whilst dealing with the virus
We and others haven’t

Hopefully for next year, the scientific world might be able to make some sense of it.
Two different approaches with a reasonable outcome (If measured by excess deaths) May - Oct
Would be nice if they could find some comfort that, for a period of time next year it really doesn’t matter - say April - Oct.
Lets see
 
Alvez_48 said:
He's done a swift edit when he got caught out.. they've had restrictions since the start that's the whole point.
You put me in tier 1 right now I'd take it, makes the same level of difference to what we're doing but helps people's mental health at least.
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Ah didn’t notice the edit

PM advising the following

‘However the Prime Minister asked people to continue to follow the local guidelines where they live. In 20 out of 21 Swedish regions, people are advised not to socialise with people they don’t live with’
 
Alvez_48 said:
@borolad259 you've not commented for ages, are you just done with it all now?
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Alvez_48 said:
He's done a swift edit when he got caught out.. they've had restrictions since the start that's the whole point.
You put me in tier 1 right now I'd take it, makes the same level of difference to what we're doing but helps people's mental health at least.
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Ye I’d take a tier 1 now too. I would have allowed 2 households to create bubbles I think and also kept the hospitality industry open.

I personally would have favoured closing schools if your going to close anything
 
GazC_MFC said:
Ye I’d take a tier 1 now too. I would have allowed 2 households to create bubbles I think and also kept the hospitality industry open.

I personally would have favoured closing schools if your going to close anything
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Give me the gyms and the golf courses and I'll forget all about those poor kids.. 🤣
This was a terribly maccabre joke, my apologies.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Ah didn’t notice the edit

PM advising the following

‘However the Prime Minister asked people to continue to follow the local guidelines where they live. In 20 out of 21 Swedish regions, people are advised not to socialise with people they don’t live with’
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I think the key word is 'advised'.
 
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