Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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Alvez you genuinely are nuts mate. You look at one metric. Why have they had so few deaths of other causes. Its OK, I guess you are saying to let 6,000 die of covid so long as you maintain your average. Is that what you are saying? I must be missing something surely.

I'm saying the average is always going to happen... There ain't nothing you can do about it every year a certain number of people die.
IF roughly the same amount of people die this year than the last ten years how will Sweden's approach to the Pandemic be poor?
I'm genuinely shocked you don't understand this but we will leave it there mate.
 
What I’d be more interested in is the deaths numbers at the same week vs 5yr average or what they deaths for the remaining of the weeks
Average out to give the context of the figure at 6th November

at the moment you are comparing Apple with
Pears and I’d like to compare apples vs apples

Totally fair, which is why I repeatedly state 'so far' and 'IF'. 👍🏻
 
I'm saying the average is always going to happen... There ain't nothing you can do about it every year a certain number of people die.
IF roughly the same amount of people die this year than the last ten years how will Sweden's approach to the Pandemic be poor?
I'm genuinely shocked you don't understand this but we will leave it there mate.
So the average is the only metric that matters, which scientific journal did that come from? I can see what you are saying, it's just using a metric that suites your argument at the moment.
 
@Laughing if you're overall rate of death is similar to the same as the past 10 years of data during the year of a deadly pandemic then I wouldn't think it would be at all radical to deduce that they have done a pretty good job. I mean call me nuts (😉) but that's how I'd see it.

Again there's 2 months data yet to come and I'm not comparing Sweden to anywhere except itself. 👍🏻
 
@Laughing if you're overall rate of death is similar to the same as the past 10 years of data during the year of a deadly pandemic then I wouldn't think it would be at all radical to deduce that they have done a pretty good job. I mean call me nuts (😉) but that's how I'd see it.

Again there's 2 months data yet to come and I'm not comparing Sweden to anywhere except itself. 👍🏻
If you're not drawing comparisons what is your point. I could be wrong but wasn't this thread started to prove that lockdown wasn't required?
 
And for 11 months and counting there has been no national lockdown in Sweden.. Relax mate I'm not trying to argue with you
In all seriousness are you alright? If you want to talk, send me a private message.
 
And for 11 months and counting there has been no national lockdown in Sweden.. Relax mate I'm not trying to argue with you
In all seriousness are you alright? If you want to talk, send me a private message.
Ah I've got it now. It doesn't matter that old people die a bit sooner. Got it.

Oh I am fine thanks. April was the worst month for deaths in Sweden in 186 years. That's interesting.
 
Ah I've got it now. It doesn't matter that old people die a bit sooner. Got it.

Oh I am fine thanks. April was the worst month for deaths in Sweden in 186 years. That's interesting.
I imagine it was the worst month for a lot of countries in 186 years.
 
Ah I've got it now. It doesn't matter that old people die a bit sooner. Got it.

Oh I am fine thanks. April was the worst month for deaths in Sweden in 186 years. That's interesting.

My friend for a man who says there not interested in these circular arguments anymore you really seem to be wanting to make them happen tonight..

You know I have a perfectly reasonable response to your comment but you know what... you win, you're correct.
I just hope everything is ok with you and like I say if you want to talk I'm here.
 
What I’d be more interested in is the deaths numbers at the same week vs 5yr average or what they deaths for the remaining of the weeks
Average out to give the context of the figure at 6th November

at the moment you are comparing Apple with
Pears and I’d like to compare apples vs apples

To 31st October 2015-19= 73955
To 31st October 2020= 77351
3,396 excess deaths.

Certainly running better than the UK I think from those figures.

I think the initial tables is a bit disingenuous as 3 months of data is missing still but if you added the 5 year average to the 2020 in those 3 months you would get to ? 92500 ish. Higher than average but not markedly out of the norm.
 
To 31st October 2015-19= 73955
To 31st October 2020= 77351
3,396 excess deaths.

Certainly running better than the UK I think from those figures.

I think the initial tables is a bit disingenuous as 3 months of data is missing still but if you added the 5 year average to the 2020 in those 3 months you would get to ? 92500 ish. Higher than average but not markedly out of the norm.

thanks for doing that. They were at 5.5k excess deaths at one stage after May time
 
Latest From Sweden

7 day moving average for deaths
11th Nov 23
18th Nov 15
That's why you can't use a 7 day moving average on a graph that plots deaths on the actual day. It always looks as if everything's fine and dandy, even if it isn't unless you only look at 7 day averages up to two weeks ago.

A plot from a few weeks ago showing what came next.
Screenshot_20201113-190507.jpg

Hopefully the last few lower daily numbers of cases is some good news.
 
"From having been between 10-15 deaths a week, the deaths in Sweden increased, from mid-October, to just over 60 deaths a week. And most people who have died with covid-19 have lived in nursing homes or had home care, reports TT.

TT has investigated who has died with corona from the beginning of October until last week with the help of the cause of death certificates that have been received by the National Board of Health and Welfare.

A total of 289 deaths have been registered - a figure that will increase due to backlogs in the statistics. And of these 289 people, 232 are over 80 years old. "

Once again they are having an issue, primarily in care homes. Most of the deaths are people in end of life care. The reason, I suspect, that there is no excess mortality is that these people are vulnerable to other respiratory diseases at this time of the year.... though this virus seems to be particularly deadly for those very old and frail people.

Of the 6,400 to have died from covid in Sweden just 660 have been younger than 70 and less than 250 have been younger than 60. Most have other serious illnesses.
These are all individual personal tragedies of course, but, bluntly, many of them were likely to die this year anyway.

Sweden had a very soft flu season last year, which left a lot of very old and frail people vulnerable to this awful disease.

I find the comparison between countries to be tasteless and meaningless. Sweden is completely different from its Nordic neighbours in population make up and distribution.
What is happening there at the moment is pretty much what the state epidemiologist predicted ... that seasonal factors would likely bring about more infections. It seems that, a bit like in the UK, the areas being hit badly now are those that were spared in the spring.
 
No, it wasn't. It's a bit irritating that people like you assume that it was. It was simply early days and they were doing something different .... not necessarily better or worse.
That looks a little bit like changing the narrative to be honest. What do you mean by people like me, what kind of person are you referring to?
 
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