Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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"A high-profile European pathologist is reporting that he and his colleagues across Europe have not found any evidence of any deaths from the novel coronavirus on that continent"

Presumably it's just a massive coincidence then, that every country in Europe that has suffered a Covid-19 epidemic has seen an increase in excess deaths at precisely the same point in time?
 
RandySavage said:
https://australiannationalreview.co...rom-the-coronavirus-says-leading-pathologist/

Needs to be taken with a humongous pinch of salt.
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I think it's fairly clear that site is pretty much a depository for various conspiracy theories - they also have articles saying CoVid-19 tests don't test for CoVid-19, that Dr Fauci is misleading people, that the WHO is saying people don't need to social distance, that "evidence points towards this being a PLandemic, not a Pandemic" (planned by Bill Gates), and implying that vaccines are responsible for all SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) fatalities in babies.
 
Liamo said:
I think it's fairly clear that site is pretty much a depository for various conspiracy theories - they also have articles saying CoVid-19 tests don't test for CoVid-19, that Dr Fauci is misleading people, that the WHO is saying people don't need to social distance, that "evidence points towards this being a PLandemic, not a Pandemic" (planned by Bill Gates), and implying that vaccines are responsible for all SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) fatalities in babies.
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It's on a few sites that was just the one I picked.
I'm getting a little bored of this "if it isn't on a mainstream media site then it's a conspiracy theory" crap.
Plandemic is clearly b***ks.
 
Liamo said:
I think it's fairly clear that site is pretty much a depository for various conspiracy theories - they also have articles saying CoVid-19 tests don't test for CoVid-19, that Dr Fauci is misleading people, that the WHO is saying people don't need to social distance, that "evidence points towards this being a PLandemic, not a Pandemic" (planned by Bill Gates), and implying that vaccines are responsible for all SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) fatalities in babies.
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Indeed.
 
RandySavage said:
It's on a few sites that was just the one I picked.
I'm getting a little bored of this "if it isn't on a mainstream media site then it's a conspiracy theory" crap.
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It doesn't matter which sites it's on, the idea that CoVid-19 hasn't killed a single person on the entire continent of Europe is about as ridiculous a conspiracy theory as I've heard yet.
 
Liamo said:
It doesn't matter which sites it's on, the idea that CoVid-19 hasn't killed a single person on the entire continent of Europe is about as ridiculous a conspiracy theory as I've heard yet.
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Particularly as he's worried that a vaccine may never be produced. Why would that bother him as the disease hasn't killed anyone.
 
bear66 said:
Particularly as he's worried that a vaccine may never be produced. Why would that bother him as the disease hasn't killed anyone.
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To be fair anyone hoping for a vaccine is also hoping for a lottery win. Weren't the Oxford trials supposed to have announced something at the beginning of this month?
 
RandySavage said:
To be fair anyone hoping for a vaccine is also hoping for a lottery win. Weren't the Oxford trials supposed to have announced something at the beginning of this month?
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Yes. Phase 3 with vaccinations started in Brazil and South Africa with the same vaccine as is already in trial in the UK.
 
I thought they were supposed to be telling us of it works or not ready for September rollout?
 
RandySavage said:
I thought they were supposed to be telling us of it works or not ready for September rollout?
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They need to test it where there is prevalence of the virus in the community. That's why Brazil and South Africa will give them data not available from the UK trials. Also, they need data from trials involving older participants. Two weeks ago they thought October was more realistic than September, although the vaccine would be ready for mass roll out in September.
 
RandySavage said:
Is the general population going to take a vaccine that's been made in under a year?
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There was an interesting interview on Monday about the Imperial vaccine. The difference with Oxford is that it's intended to reduce the severity of the disease rather than kill the virus. It won't be ready to Q1 '21 but it sounded a better bet than something that has never been achieved before. There was a US vaccine with a similar concept to Oxford that, in animal studies, killed the virus in some, but not all, parts of the body. There's a long way to go yet.

A typical flu vaccine is a maximum of 70% effective; the last major flu epidemic in the UK was thought to be mainly due to the vaccine only being 30% effective. This doesn't sound like foolproof science.
 
RandySavage said:
I thought they were supposed to be telling us of it works or not ready for September rollout?
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I'm not sure there was ever supposed to be a September rollout (at least not to the general public) - as I recall, they said they hoped to have millions of doses ready by September and that with emergency use authorisation it might be possible to start giving it to some high-risk groups such as health care workers.

For instance, this is from a New York Times article:
The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September
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Oxford coronavirus vaccine update
 
RandySavage said:
Is the general population going to take a vaccine that's been made in under a year?
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If it comes through all the clinical trial phases (1, 2 & 3) and the scientific data proves it to be both effective and safe, then I don't see why not - bearing in mind that if the trials don't provide conclusive evidence of both safety and efficacy, it won't be approved for use anyway.
 
The pandemic in Sweden is all but over. The number in intensive care is now down to 116, with new admissions in low single figures. Daily deaths have been below 20 for two weeks.... and are also looking to be averaging single figures now. No new cases at all in Vasterbotten region. Overall new cases now falling again after the rise in testing produced a spike. All pretty good news. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
 
Why particularly compare Scotland? Have you got one for England/ Wales and England.

Not a criticism, just a bit random.
 
Cambsred said:
Why particularly compare Scotland? Have you got one for England/ Wales and England.

Not a criticism, just a bit random.
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Just a comparison between a country that had harsher lockdown measures compared to Sweden (the country that is the focus of the thread) 👀
 
Sweden is a sensible choice to compare given the thread theme. I wondered if an equivalent or similar country would have been a better choice. E.g Denmark/ Norway who had a different lockdown strategy.

I wonder if anyone have a link to excess death data across multiple nations. It would be interesting to see excess deaths/ million of the population across Europe. I can find graphical data but not the direct numbers.

Financial times show some quite varied results of covid strategy.
 

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