Matt Hancock and the pantomime of PPE

Nobby_Barnes said:
Spot on BR14, there are only a limited number of mask manufacturers and they mainly supply the industrial market. You can't just decide to buy millions of masks at the drop of a hat and expect them just to be sitting in a warehouse somewhere when global demand is unprecedented.

It's just naive to think that...
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Taiwan established 62 NEW production units in early February. They make over 9 million masks a day, almost half their population. "You can't just . . ." is the excuse this government will continue to use to cover up gross incompetence.
 
Matt Hancock getting a gentle questioning on R4 on totally floundering.

When confronted by an inconvenient Vallance quote, he says we get all sorts of predictions from experts, then reminded that he is actually our chief scientific officer.

Should doctors work with inadequate PPE. They shouldn't have to. Err . . . yes. Should they continue to work? It's their judgement. (It's the responsibility of an employer not the judgement of an employee to make such decisions.)

Have you followed social distancing rules? "Come off it . . ." was his first response. Come off it Matt Hancock.
 
Paul you are entitled as anyone to your opinions but that’s all they are unless you can back them up. You appear to think any criticism of the government is unwarranted but such criticisms are valid when the evidence of their failures, such as lack of preparation, failure to give clear messaging and dissembling over testing etc,is pretty clear. When this is pointed out to you, you start throwing insults which is a bit pathetic isn’t it? No need.
 
John67 why did you not make the same comment about CtC?

He has been consistent on this site for many years, insults anyone with a different view to him and despises the country who have a NHS working it's knackers off.
 
Same as: you have a point there I just noted the daftc**t comment. CtC no need for that either, despite the provocation!!.
 
What we have learnt so far
The government have put a Herculean effort behind keeping us all safe

We have been at fault for not following government guidelines
We are following the science so if this gets really bad (like 1000 deaths a day aren’t) it will be because of their advice
Doctors and nurses have enough PPE if they don’t waste it - we should stop clapping for them, bunch of frivolous wasters
 
1f, it does appear to be a government strategy, that began almost immediately, to deflect any blame away from them.
 
br14 said:
Where exactly are they going to get the masks? Hardly anyone is selling them. China bought up every mask they could find on the planet in January of this year (2.2 billion). China, like Taiwan and just about every other manufacturing country stopped exporting masks. China has been releasing tiny numbers of masks in a PR effort. The truth is they're probably going to need them for the next wave.

I did read that there's even a shortage of the base material for the masks (electrostatic non-woven polypropylene).

I assume they're not telling the truth because they either hope to eventually manufacture masks within the UK, or because they're worried about creating a panic. Either way it's a global problem not just restricted to the UK.
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BR14 this kind of response bugs me a bit. The government has had months to prepare. They could have passed legislation and comandeered a factory, they could have asked british manufacturing to switch to making masks with a promise of a large contract for PPE.

It is well documented that several companies. when asked at the end of Feb what PPE they could manufacture, were ignored as the Government wanted to get it from Bhangladesh, one can only assume because it is cheaper.

It is a global problem, you're right, we could have avoided the problem in the first place, and this government are to blame for that, not a world shortage of PPE or the materials, this government.

Please stop excusing the poor performance and decision making of Johnson and his cabinet, whatever your political persuasion.
 
If the government, with the time they had to prepare, had got the proper PPE to the NHS a month ago then Matt Hancock might not have had to confirm 19 NHS medical professionals had died from Covid 19 this morning. I am not saying there would have been no fatalities but the link between medical practitioner deaths and lack of correct PPE seems clear.
 
What I am becoming increasingly angry about is the media and political line that, during a crisis the government should not be held to account. I would have thought that is the exact time it should be given.
 
John67 said:
If the government, with the time they had to prepare, had got the proper PPE to the NHS a month ago then Matt Hancock might not have had to confirm 19 NHS medical professionals had died from Covid 19 this morning. I am not saying there would have been no fatalities but the link between medical practitioner deaths and lack of correct PPE seems clear.
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If it was so easy why didn’t Italy, Spain,France etc do the same?
 
Isn’t it great
We normally try to compare ourselves to the best in the world to look at our success or not

Now we look at countries that we only look at in football terms to justify how good we might be

100 deaths in the UK per 1m population
Less than5 in China, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong
Less than 30 in Germany

But lets compare ourselves to countries we said were making a mess of things 3 weeks ago
 
ABH, we have a centrally controlled Health Service and longer to prepare. That gave us an advantage in prep time and organisational ability to respond. We didn’t and now more than a thousand a day are dead, some of them medical professionals. This isn’t a question of hindsight, it’s an issue of reality. This was never going to be easy to deal with but we have, in my opinion, made it harder for ourselves, caused entirely by government inaction and dissembling.
 
ABHBORO said:
If it was so easy why didn’t Italy, Spain,France etc do the same?
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Also, by the way Johnson, on 13th March promised there would be enough PPE by the end of the week.
In fairness - didn’t specify which week, we all just made an assumption
 
It looks like the central control, which you'd expect to be s good thing, may have let us down by its formalism.

One of the strengths Germany has is it's federal approach where good novel ideas from one State could be learnt and implemented by other states.
 
1finny said:
Also, by the way Johnson, on 13th March promised there would be enough PPE by the end of the week.
In fairness - didn’t specify which week, we all just made an assumption
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We really really shouldn't let him forget this when this is all over. Another lie, one that has led to anger and deaths we didn't expect. The government machine have had to exaggerate his illness to try and get us to forget this quote. I wasn't distracted and I won't forget.
 
John67 said:
ABH, we have a centrally controlled Health Service and longer to prepare. That gave us an advantage in prep time and organisational ability to respond. We didn’t and now more than a thousand a day are dead, some of them medical professionals. This isn’t a question of hindsight, it’s an issue of reality. This was never going to be easy to deal with but we have, in my opinion, made it harder for ourselves, caused entirely by government inaction and dissembling.
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John67 said:
ABH, we have a centrally controlled Health Service and longer to prepare. That gave us an advantage in prep time and organisational ability to respond. We didn’t and now more than a thousand a day are dead, some of them medical professionals. This isn’t a question of hindsight, it’s an issue of reality. This was never going to be easy to deal with but we have, in my opinion, made it harder for ourselves, caused entirely by government inaction and dissembling.
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If it’s just down to our government then why didn’t the other eu countries that are also short of PPE get them?
 
ABHBORO said:
If it was so easy why didn’t Italy, Spain,France etc do the same?
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AB they had less time to prepare, and to be honest, should we be comparing ourselves with the worst performing nations? I would liek to think we want to be world leaders, not also rans.
 
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