Mask wearing post pandemic

[Mendieta14]

They're expecting cases to hit 80k a day in a few weeks. People are still going to die/end up in hospital. It's up to you how much protection you want to give yourself.

 

[Andy_W]

If wearing a mask works why have we got 30000 new infections a day and rising?

Continue to wear a mask if you like. Don't call people selfish for not wearing one when clearly you are also selfish but in a way you find acceptable.

The vitriol on this subject is ridiculous. You would all have a point if the r rate wasn't through the roof but given it is and makes are not helping I have to question the reason for name calling and belittling. Could it be nothing to do with masks at all.

This guy must be on a wind-up, surely, over and over again.

But for anyone else reading his crap:

They're rising as the infectiousness and other aspects are massive (more than before, with Alpha), and restrictions have been massively reduced to next to nothing, already, but this doesn't mean masks still don't help. It could have been 40k cases per day now, if we hadn't worn masks, as it could have had R at 1.4 instead of 1.5, or 1.3 instead of 1.4.

Not wanting to help others is selfish, it's that simple.

Just because a risk is high, it doesn't mean accept the risk and make it higher, FFS.

Grow up.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Can people who are going to wear a mask when they have a cold or flu in future, just not leave the house instead. You just know there's still going to be some melt turning up at work coughing his guts up cos he's never had a day off sick.

 

[JM14]

Care to explain how someone not wearing a mask is selfish? To be fair I don't think you actually said that St did.

Assume not wearing a mask despite it having zero impact on you, but could potentially stop you passing on a virus could be classed as selfish.
Just because its no longer legal doesnt mean we have to just stop caring about others, personal responsibility means continue to take precautions, not just do what you like because its no longer illegal

Again can you tell me what I said that was selfish?

 

[SmallTown]

"it's to protect other people" what a genius piece of propaganda.

Look at how divided and judgemental we have become.

'It doesn't protect me, it protects you' 'Then turn it inside out ya c**t and save yourself'

You think it’s propaganda that masks are to protect others? How did you form that opinion? I’d be interested in the science behind your logic

 

[Laughing]

Cheryl, pictured, raises a very good point bear. What I would say is that Cheryl probably isn't qualified to give that kind of opinion, but I do have new sympathy for her. But I also have sympathy for the hospitality workers losing their jobs and businesses.

 

[SmallTown]

Care to explain how someone not wearing a mask is selfish? To be fair I don't think you actually said that St did.

I did say that it appears selfish and I explained why

 

[Laughing]

Assume not wearing a mask despite it having zero impact on you, but could potentially stop you passing on a virus could be classed as selfish.
Just because its no longer legal doesnt mean we have to just stop caring about others, personal responsibility means continue to take precautions, not just do what you like because its no longer illegal

Again can you tell me what I said that was selfish?

You never said anything selfish but your actions, presumably are. If you go to the pub you increase infection vectors if you go to the cinema, ditto.

You still want to do those things so you are prepaid to wear a mask but not do anything that adversely effects you,like stay in doors.

If you want to suggest not wearing a mask it's selfish then I would suggest that going to a pub is equally selfish.

 

[SmallTown]

People keep talking about the logistics of mask wearing, we all know how easy it is to put a mask on and keep it on there. But at what stage do you say, okay enough people are vaccinated, I’ve done everything I can, and those people around me wherever I go, to protect themselves.

This nanny state, that prohibits freedom of choice and reluctance to return to ‘normal’ and I mean ‘proper normal’ not this ‘some return of normality’ malarkey that keeps getting pandered about, needs to end. Keep wearing yours masks if you want to, but respect those that don’t, and don’t vilify them for doing so.

I’ll consider them selfish. For the reasons I have described above

 

[Andy_W]

It wasn't seen as selfish for not wearing one before covid even though flus and seasonal colds were still about so why would it be selfish after this month?

Masks had largely been thought of with the only intention of protecting a wearer (like a dust mask, respirator etc), by most, cleary some on here some still think that.

Education on the subject is higher now, far higher. You shouldn't apply current thinking and levels of education, and try and compare them to times of less well informed, and try and use that to back up your argument, it's weak.

Drink driving wasn't seen as selfish in the 70's, it doesn't mean it wasn't, it just means that people then didn't know it was, most wouldn't (correctly) think it was selfish now, and going forward.

Also, Covid isn't Flu, and education on disease transmissibility due to Covid has gone through the roof, so it makes sense to apply this education elsewhere, especially if it's zero hardship in most settings.

 

[dooderooni]

I'm sure it is just coincidence that I was 'exposed' on the 21st and nothing to do with people jumping the gun on restrictions lifting. I mean, what harm could it do to? I'm sure I read on the 'massaging the death rate' thread that there was a jump in that week.

 

[dooderooni]

There you go.

 

[JM14]

You never said anything selfish but your actions, presumably are. If you go to the pub you increase infection vectors if you go to the cinema, ditto.

You still want to do those things so you are prepaid to wear a mask but not do anything that adversely effects you,like stay in doors.

If you want to suggest not wearing a mask it's selfish then I would suggest that going to a pub is equally selfish.

Lets make this simple for your benefit.

Never leaving the house again to avoid spreading covid = Impossible, life altering, mental health impact etc

Wearing a mask in a public space, testing 2x weekly = Low cost, not intrusive, no negative impacts and reduces the chances of passing to someone else.

See the difference? One impossible to avoid, not doing the other just because its not a legal requirement is just completely selfish

 

[bear66]

Cheryl, pictured, raises a very good point bear. What I would say is that Cheryl probably isn't qualified to give that kind of opinion, but I do have new sympathy for her. But I also have sympathy for the hospitality workers losing their jobs and businesses.

She is totally qualified. She will be free to take personal responsibility. If that means refusing to serve or go near an unmasked customer, that is her personal responsibility. Except she'd probably lose her job . . .

SAGE and the unions are more qualified and are routing for Cheryl.

 

[Laughing]

Lets make this simple for your benefit.

Never leaving the house again to avoid spreading covid = Impossible, life altering, mental health impact etc

Wearing a mask in a public space, testing 2x weekly = Low cost, not intrusive, no negative impacts and reduces the chances of passing to someone else.

See the difference? One impossible to avoid, not doing the other just because its not a legal requirement is just completely selfish

To keep it simple for you. You are equally, at the minimum, selfish for wanting to go to the pub.

Be selfish I have no problem with that. My issue is suggesting others are selfish and you are not. It's nonsense.

 

[SmallTown]

To keep it simple for you. You are equally, at the minimum, selfish for wanting to go to the pub.

Be selfish I have no problem with that. My issue is suggesting others are selfish and you are not. It's nonsense.

I think your false equivalence is too simple. Are you selfish for using public transport because you need to work to feed your family?

 

[Laughing]

She is totally qualified. She will be free to take personal responsibility. If that means refusing to serve or go near an unmasked customer, that is her personal responsibility. Except she'd probably lose her job . . .

SAGE and the unions are more qualified and are routing for Cheryl.

Not sure I get all that. Cheryl presumably works in a shop. She very likely doesn't have the background to give an opinion we should all just accept on covid prevention.

As I said I have some sympathy for Cheryl but I have sympathy for others too. It's not a binary thing bear.

If you keep restrictions in place without furlough people will be homeless and starving. A situation that requires some sympathy also.

If you remove restrictions people are free to shop without wearing a mask.

Shops could, of course, insist that customers still wear masks. Not sure there is good evidence that that will help in isolation, but shops are free to impose those restrictions if they wish.

I wonder if Cheryl had been to a pub or restaurant and taken her mask off whilst sat down?

 

[JM14]

To keep it simple for you. You are equally, at the minimum, selfish for wanting to go to the pub.

Be selfish I have no problem with that. My issue is suggesting others are selfish and you are not. It's nonsense.

Probably best leaving it there, if you genuinely believe that statement its probably not worth discussing it much further.

 

[Laughing]

Probably best leaving it there, if you genuinely believe that statement its probably not worth discussing it much further.

No I don't believe it. Equally if you believe wearing a mask as the only preventative measure works then there is no point continuing this.

The position you are arguing from with 100 of thousands infected is nonsense.

 

[JM14]

No I don't believe it. Equally if you believe wearing a mask as the only preventative measure works then there is no point continuing this.

The position you are arguing from with 100 of thousands infected is nonsense.

Where did I say it was the only preventative measure that works? I said along with testing its the least intrusive and low cost measure that we have, so no reason not to continue with both of them when they cause zero negative impact to anyone, and can help reduce transmission (Not cut it all together because thats impossible)