Mask wearing post pandemic

[Laughing]

Where did I say it was the only preventative measure that works? I said along with testing its the least intrusive and low cost measure that we have, so no reason not to continue with both of them when they cause zero negative impact to anyone, and can help reduce transmission (Not cut it all together because thats impossible)

You said you support wearing off masks if that restriction is lifted. That leaves it as the only preventative measure in place. T&t is a joke and you know it.

 

[bear66]

No I don't believe it. Equally if you believe wearing a mask as the only preventative measure works then there is no point continuing this.

The position you are arguing from with 100 of thousands infected is nonsense.

Scientists warn that lifting restrictions is like building variant factories.
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Unite and USDAW also want mask restrictions kept.
Link 2

Looks as if Cheryl must be a supermarket worker as she certainly knows her onions . . . and her sage

 

[SmallTown]

Where did I say it was the only preventative measure that works? I said along with testing its the least intrusive and low cost measure that we have, so no reason not to continue with both of them when they cause zero negative impact to anyone, and can help reduce transmission (Not cut it all together because thats impossible)

These are good points that seem to be ignored by the anti maskers in these sorts of discussions. The seem to be coming form a point of extremes. Think that we believe that not wearing masks is a panacea for all communicable diseases.Wearing masks, to me, is like washing your hands. It helps lessen the chances of you spreading disease to others. We would feel silly arguing against washing our hands but the principle is the same

 

[dooderooni]

These are good points that seem to be ignored by the anti maskers in these sorts of discussions. The seem to be coming form a point of extremes. Think that we believe that not wearing masks is a panacea for all communicable diseases.Wearing masks, to me, is like washing your hands. It helps lessen the chances of you spreading disease to others. We would feel silly arguing against washing our hands but the principle is the same

Washing hands and sanitising will become less and less as well.
The mask abandoning arguements will be transposed to hand washing as it was not something that was done before the pandemic as anyone who ever attended a football match or went to a pub will tell you.

 

[JM14]

You said you support wearing off masks if that restriction is lifted. That leaves it as the only preventative measure in place. T&t is a joke and you know it.

Along with home testing, when every other restriction or measure comes with significant damage to the economy or peoples mental health we all know they cant stay around forever, masks and testing have no negative impacts, and should reduce transmission. What possible reason could anyone argue against keeping these two measures in place?

 

[Laughing]

Scientists warn that lifting restrictions is like building variant factories.
Link 1

Unite and USDAW also want mask restrictions kept.
Link 2

Looks as if Cheryl must be a supermarket worker as she certainly knows her onions . . . and her sage

Very good bear.

I am not necessarily in favour of no restrictions. I am not in favour of the stupid restrictions we have now that are completely ineffective. Either have restrictions or don't. Either the data says we can remove restrictions or it doesn't.

What it can't possibly say is that the current restrictions are having any effect at all.

Have restrictions but support those industries that are effected by the restrictions or lift them entirely.

 

[JM14]

These are good points that seem to be ignored by the anti maskers in these sorts of discussions. The seem to be coming form a point of extremes. Think that we believe that not wearing masks is a panacea for all communicable diseases.Wearing masks, to me, is like washing your hands. It helps lessen the chances of you spreading disease to others. We would feel silly arguing against washing our hands but the principle is the same

No one has actually offered a logical reason as to why they wouldn't wear one, or continue to test other than they simply don't want to. These measures are as easy to implement as washing hands

 

[Laughing]

Along with home testing, when every other restriction or measure comes with significant damage to the economy or peoples mental health we all know they cant stay around forever, masks and testing have no negative impacts, and should reduce transmission. What possible reason could anyone argue against keeping these two measures in place?

This is like arguing with a 4 year old. If you can't work from home returning a positive test means you go hungry and get into debt.

The home tests are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

T&t doesn't work with the infection rates we have.

Is that enough objections for you?

 

[SmallTown]

No one has actually offered a logical reason as to why they wouldn't wear one, or continue to test other than they simply don't want to. These measures are as easy to implement as washing hands

Yeah, it seems a toys out the pram case of "me don't wanna!"

Here's me accusing them of being selfish too.

 

[bear66]

Very good bear.

I am not necessarily in favour of no restrictions. I am not in favour of the stupid restrictions we have now that are completely ineffective. Either have restrictions or don't. Either the data says we can remove restrictions or it doesn't.

What it can't possibly say is that the current restrictions are having any effect at all.

Have restrictions but support those industries that are effected by the restrictions or lift them entirely.

Removing masks in schools on 17 May wasn't a great idea (in foresight).

 

[Laughing]

No one has actually offered a logical reason as to why they wouldn't wear one, or continue to test other than they simply don't want to. These measures are as easy to implement as washing hands

Equally no one has given a single benefit of wearing a mask with no other restrictions.

You and St want to berate and belittle for reasons that only you 2 would know. It entirely escapes me.

Go ahead wear a mask, test to your hearts content. I have no problem with that. Just keep your passive aggressive opinions on other law abiding citizens to yourselves. I certainly don't want to hear your self righteous drivel.

 

[Laughing]

Removing masks in schools on 17 May wasn't a great idea (in foresight).View attachment 20787

No it wasn't bear and lifting restrictions was a stupid idea too. Not arguing with that.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

I will certainly be wearing a mask on the train - Up to 2 hours daily on packed trains is only going to end one way.

I can't believe that people wouldn't do that to minimise the risk of infection.

 

[JM14]

This is like arguing with a 4 year old. If you can't work from home returning a positive test means you go hungry and get into debt.

The home tests are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

T&t doesn't work with the infection rates we have.

Is that enough objections for you?

Returning a positive test but going into work could also mean passing it onto someone who could be seriously ill or die though, worth remembering it works both ways

If you test positive on a home test, you then need to take a more accurate PCR test before having to isolate anyway. So the chances of having to isolate with a false positive is minimal. Absolutely no reason for anyone not to be testing twice weekly.

Wheres the objection around wearing a mask?

 

[SmallTown]

Equally no one has given a single benefit of wearing a mask with no other restrictions.

You and St want to berate and belittle for reasons that only you 2 would know. It entirely escapes me.

paragraph 1: yes we have.

paragraph 2: we have given our reasons. By all means argue against them countering them. However just ignoring them and yet continuing to argue isn’t a good look for you.

 

[ThirdLeg]

Lets make this simple for your benefit.

Never leaving the house again to avoid spreading covid = Impossible, life altering, mental health impact etc

Wearing a mask in a public space, testing 2x weekly = Low cost, not intrusive, no negative impacts and reduces the chances of passing to someone else.

See the difference? One impossible to avoid, not doing the other just because its not a legal requirement is just completely selfish

Caveat: In your opinion.

It is by no means impossible to go the rest of your life without eating in a restaurant. Or travelling abroad on holiday. Or using a fossil fuel. Or eating meat. You could conceivably live your entire life indoors these days.

You have created a level of intrusion and inconvenience that you are willing to bare, for what you perceive to be the greater good, and decided that failure of others to reach your standard it is condemnable. In someone else's eyes, for some other reason, you also fail to make their grade. I have observed amongst humans that this bar is invariably set at exactly the level of the person creating it, and not one bit higher.

Who is to say what's right or wrong? Philosophically, I'd lean towards no one. In reality, the Government exist. And they say no more mask mandate.

So we can have our own opinions about the situation. And where they do not align with others who are not breaking the law, respectfully agree to disagree.

But to brand others selfish for not achieving these fabricated standards of altruism is really quite absurd.

And what are we even doing when branding others selfish? Attempting to bring another human down in order to bolster our own opinions of ourselves. Prove we are correct? Look, its all part of dealing with the human condition. Do what you've gotta do. But perhaps we should all be a bit more self-aware!

Caveat: In my opinion

 

[Laughing]

Returning a positive test but going into work could also mean passing it onto someone who could be seriously ill or die though, worth remembering it works both ways

If you test positive on a home test, you then need to take a more accurate PCR test before having to isolate anyway. So the chances of having to isolate with a false positive is minimal. Absolutely no reason for anyone not to be testing twice weekly.

Wheres the objection around wearing a mask?

Isolation will only work if people have financial support in place, they don't.

Masks as the only preventative measure don't work.

My objection is not to masks its to the tone you and St adopted in this thread.

 

[SmallTown]

Caveat: In your opinion.

It is by no means impossible to go the rest of your life without eating in a restaurant. Or travelling abroad on holiday. Or using a fossil fuel. Or eating meat. You could conceivably live your entire life indoors these days.

You have created a level of intrusion and inconvenience that you are willing to bare, for what you perceive to be the greater good, and decided that failure of others to reach your standard it is condemnable. In someone else's eyes, for some other reason, you also fail to make their grade. I have observed amongst humans that this bar is invariably set at exactly the level of the person creating it, and not one bit higher.

Who is to say what's right or wrong? Philosophically, I'd lean towards no one. In reality, the Government exist. And they say no more mask mandate.

So we can have our own opinions about the situation. And where they do not align with others who are not breaking the law, respectfully agree to disagree.

But to brand others selfish for not achieving these fabricated standards of altruism is really quite absurd.

And what are we even doing when branding others selfish? Attempting to bring another human down in order to bolster our own opinions of ourselves. Prove we are correct? Look, its all part of dealing with the human condition. Do what you've gotta do. But perhaps we should all be a bit more self-aware!

Caveat: In my opinion

The science behind wearing masks and their effect on the transmission of communicable disease, the very forefront of the argument for mask wearing. This isn’t fabricated. This is a known scientifically proven fact

 

[Laughing]

The science behind wearing masks and their effect on the transmission of communicable disease, the very forefront of the argument for mask wearing. This isn’t fabricated. This is a known scientifically proven fact

**** me St you outdid yourself there.

 

[ThirdLeg]

The science behind wearing masks and their effect on the transmission of communicable disease, the very forefront of the argument for mask wearing. This isn’t fabricated. This is a known scientifically proven fact

That is entirely unrelated to what I have posted. Maybe read it again.