Long Covid -could this be the real legacy of the pandemic

chickenrunner said:
Blimey, a few days ago you were weeping over a women who couldn't be given a hug at a funeral now you're passing off over 40,000 deaths with a Trumpian "it is what it is".
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Not passing off anything at all. If anything it's those who are only focussing on those who die of or with covid-19 who are passing off the thousands more who are dying of other causes. But they don't matter because they don't have the covid infection.
Too right I'll weep over a woman who was essentially told to cope with her husband's funeral on her own because some no mark suits in government say it's the 'rules'.

Give over, you'd do exactly the same thing as the fellas in the video if it was your mother grieving the loss of your dad.
 
Alvez_48 said:
It's really not.




It's funny because everyone I know who's had it is absolutely fine now.. see that's what anecdotal evidence is.

You're just selfish because you're an overweight 50-65 year old who's never felt in danger before, meanwhile 7,000 people die of dancer a week and most of those new patients can't get screened or get treatment.
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I know people who are suffering 6 months later, including a friend who has just returned to work after 5 months.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Pubs and restaurants closing across the central belt in Scotland, expect the same in the North East soon, a circuit break maybe but it is very real, politicians wouldn’t take such an economic risk if it wasn’t.
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It's not an economic risk it's economic suicide. If anybody thinks Sturgeon is only closing those places for 16 days they are deluded.
Majority of them will never reopen and those that manage will have to raise their prices sky high to cover losses and they will also go bust after a while or will only be frequented by the rich or the elite of society. That's not a conspiracy that's a very real prediction from people with a better brain for business than most of us.
 
Alvez_48 said:
It's really not.




It's funny because everyone I know who's had it is absolutely fine now.. see that's what anecdotal evidence is.

You're just selfish because you're an overweight 50-65 year old who's never felt in danger before, meanwhile 7,000 people die of dancer a week and most of those new patients can't get screened or get treatment.
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:ROFLMAO:

I’m under 30 and anything but overweight. I’m probably the lowest risk category you can be in, does that change my thoughts on protecting the vulnerable? Of course not, do I want to risk catching it, certainly not either having seen what it can do to people. Just because you haven’t seen it at its worst doesn’t mean anything. Just read this thread for a start.

what do you think will happen to cancer treatment times if the virus is in widespread circulation, hospitals are busy, mass staff sickness and the vulnerable not wanting to attend hospital due to safety?
 
JM14 said:
:ROFLMAO:

I’m under 30 and anything but overweight. I’m probably the lowest risk category you can be in, does that change my thoughts on protecting the vulnerable? Of course not, do I want to risk catching it, certainly not either having seen what it can do to people. Just because you haven’t seen it at its worst doesn’t mean anything. Just read this thread for a start.

what do you think will happen to cancer treatment times if the virus is in widespread circulation, hospitals are busy, mass staff sickness and the vulnerable not wanting to attend hospital due to safety?
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What's already happened to cancer patients, that's some crazy logic... We must stop all treatment to ensure we can give treatment. 👍🏻 Also you're fibbing about who you are.
 
RandySavage said:
Not passing off anything at all. If anything it's those who are only focussing on those who die of or with covid-19 who are passing off the thousands more who are dying of other causes. But they don't matter because they don't have the covid infection.
Too right I'll weep over a woman who was essentially told to cope with her husband's funeral on her own because some no mark suits in government say it's the 'rules'.

Give over, you'd do exactly the same thing as the fellas in the video if it was your mother grieving the loss of your dad.
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Your words ................."People have died, people die, it's a fact of life.".................. Perhaps those were the comforting words the son intended to say to his mother? Think on.
Your suggestion that people concerned about Covid deaths are unconcerned about other deaths is unworthy of further comment.
 
chickenrunner said:
Your words ................."People have died, people die, it's a fact of life.".................. Perhaps those were the comforting words the son intended to say to his mother? Think on.
Your suggestion that people concerned about Covid deaths are unconcerned about other deaths is unworthy of further comment.
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I rest my case.
 
JM14 said:
:ROFLMAO:

I’m under 30 and anything but overweight. I’m probably the lowest risk category you can be in, does that change my thoughts on protecting the vulnerable? Of course not, do I want to risk catching it, certainly not either having seen what it can do to people. Just because you haven’t seen it at its worst doesn’t mean anything. Just read this thread for a start.

what do you think will happen to cancer treatment times if the virus is in widespread circulation, hospitals are busy, mass staff sickness and the vulnerable not wanting to attend hospital due to safety?
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Did you not hear Hancock openly say in the houses of parliament that cancer treatment will resume when the covid-19 cases are lower?

Who on earth is he to decide that measure. That alone should have everybody up in arms but no.
 
Alvez_48 said:
What's already happened to cancer patients, that's some crazy logic... We must stop all treatment to ensure we can give treatment. 👍🏻 Also you're fibbing about who you are.
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What possible benefit would I get from lying about who I am on a football forum?
 
RandySavage said:
Did you not hear Hancock openly say in the houses of parliament that cancer treatment will resume when the covid-19 cases are lower?

Who on earth is he to decide that measure. That alone should have everybody up in arms but no.
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What do you expect? they have ran the NHS to the brink of collapse. A bad flu season has them on their knees. How are they ever going to cope with widespread covid and mass staff sickness/isolation and carry on their usual treatments?
 
These are the deaths that will happen due to covid beng prioritised over cancer.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext

Why are covid deaths more important than cancer patients. And please don't try the "well you can't catch cancer from someone" You are right but you can die from cancer because you are not being seen due to covid restrictions. Covid is at about 41k deaths (if you believe the stats, remember that is a death within 28 days after a positive test, wonder how many car accidents are in that total) but it will cause many many more than that due to the NHS becoming the Covid Health Servce.

Death is a part of life. No time in the history of mankind have we ever done this over a virus.

Between 2014 and 2015 we had 44000 excess Influenza deaths. Bet no one batted an eye at that. But these 40000 deaths you think we are being killed by the back death. Honestly some of the comments on here and social media you would think that catchng it is an instant death sentence. less than 400 under 65 have died. 4 under 20 but they get the most restrictions.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...rofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25

We will have unemployment like never seen which will cause untold problems and deaths that will dwarf covid. But thats ok as its only money, health is more important as people keep saying. Unfortuantey the stark truth is without money you wouldn't have much health.

All these restrictions will take a generation of debt to pay off. My daughter will pay this from exams she may not sit due to them being cancelled next year (possibly) and an apprenticeship she wont be able to get on due to restrictions being placed that will massively impact her future.

I also have to ask if the goverment said you didn't need to wear a mask tomorrow would you still wear one? This is aimed at the people who scream when they see someone without one. Why didn't you wear one in 2014/2015 you could have saved so many lives.

Now the vaccine. There are currently 4 coronaviruses in circulation and not 1 of them has a working vaccine that stops you getting it so why do you think we will get one now. It will take averagely 10 years to vaccinate the world, are you happy to be in perpetual lockdown for 10 years. We will be a third world country long before then. There will be nothing to live for.
 
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Alvez_48 said:
It's really not.




It's funny because everyone I know who's had it is absolutely fine now.. see that's what anecdotal evidence is.

You're just selfish because you're an overweight 50-65 year old who's never felt in danger before, meanwhile 7,000 people die of dancer a week and most of those new patients can't get screened or get treatment.
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I always knew Santa’s reindeer’s had a dark side
 
RandySavage said:
Give it a rest mate. People have died, people die, it's a fact of life. The way some go on on here it's you catch covid and die in 2 weeks or live with life limiting symptoms for the rest of your days.

And people wonder why people's mental health is ****ed.
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What a ridiculous and truly insensitve post, not your first on this site either. Give it a rest? Try telling that to the 40k plus families of those who have died.

Trying to use the fact people die of other causes every day as a defence is the most ludicrous position to take.

You tell people to give it a rest about Covid, essentially get on with it and those with concerns bore you. I say stop being such a selfish, insensitive and illogical prat.
 
Alvez_48 said:
#fearporn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386#comment_141111869

Check those comments people don't want this nonsense to carry on. Try to re-evaluate your positions @zorro_mfc my man.
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Alvez_48 said:
#fearporn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386#comment_141111869

Check those comments people don't want this nonsense to carry on. Try to re-evaluate your positions @zorro_mfc my man.
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Really? This again??
You are clearly a clever guy Alvez but I can’t help but feel that you are misguided in your appraisal of the Great Barrington Declaration.

You can’t have looked into the Great Barrington Declaration and failed to have noticed how the overwhelming majority of scientists, immunologists and virologists have either, questioned, downright dismissed or even got angry about its content?
You can’t have failed to notice that Gupta has been wrong in a large proportion of her Covid predictions throughout this pandemic? She’s sensationalist and frequently proved wrong ( ‘it’ll be over in 3 months, 130 million will die of starvation, we should let it sweep through the young healthy population)
You can’t fail to have noticed that one of the other lead trio of lead scientists has a fair degree of controversy attached to him and has been held up as an example of how not to conduct a covid antibody survey??
You can’t fail to have noticed that anybody, including you and me, could have signed up to be signatories to that declaration as ‘medical and public health scientists’ as allegedly all that was required was a name and email address?
You can’t fail to have noticed that the list of ‘1000s of signatories‘ that are ‘medical and public health scientists’ includes some made up comedy names?
You can’t help but notice that some other leading, credible anti-lockdown scientists have not signed up to that declaration?
And you really cannot have failed to notice that they do not offer a credible suggestion of how to implement their proposals beyond stuff like ‘ everybody old or vulnerable who cannot work from home stays at home and the welfare system magically pays for it all’. Riiiiiiiiggghhht. Much as that perhaps should happen, it ain’t ever going to.
You can’t have failed to have noticed that their whole suggested strategy hinges on immunity being at least present long enough to allow the herd immunity to develop? That simply isn’t known yet, so their whole theory is not based in scientific fact.( Unlike they claim. )
You also can’t have failed to notice that they ignore and dismiss lots of quantifiable evidence, such as the long term effects of covid - Gupta previously batted off covid leading to the presence of long term symptoms by saying ‘so does the flu’.
She said this would all run it’s natural course within 3 months, way back in May or some time. How’s that working out?
How can they say ‘let the young get it, they’ll be fine’ when there simply is not enough known about it yet?

A quick google or social media search on the topic leads to a few sensationalist tabloid headlines about these ‘top scientists’ ( which I remind you, could include you and I) and then a whole load of criticism from other scientists, virologists, epidemiologists, doctors etc, many of whom claim the Barrington Declaration scientists are in an overwhelming minority of people who simply are not backed up science and evidence, despite claiming exactly that.

A serious conversation most definitely needs to take place about alternatives to full lockdowns. But these scientists associated with the Great Barrington Declaration are just hindering that conversation and damaging it, in my opinion.

I started following several vocal scientists and doctors at the start of this pandemic, and some, such as Gupta, I attached some significance to, with hindsight purely because they were saying what I wanted to hear. ‘It’ll be over in a few months, herd immunity is almost here etc ‘
Unfortunately, time has shown that I was misguided, because I really wanted her, Heneghan, Sakora, Tegnell etc to be correct but at the moment the actual evidence is to the contrary.
 
JM14 said:
:ROFLMAO:

what do you think will happen to cancer treatment times if the virus is in widespread circulation, hospitals are busy, mass staff sickness and the vulnerable not wanting to attend hospital due to safety?
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Exactly this. It’s a point that seems to be completely lost on many of those who think we should just carry on as normal, shielding the vulnerable (which is nigh on impossible)
 
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