You don’t think it’s good every avenue is being explored?Why ? oh hang on maybe its so that it fits in with what you said at the beginning of the thread.See below
(Clutching here Kosovo he was shot unarmed which is highly illegal. Don’t be surprised if the shooter is a privileged white male with right wing beliefs and voted for the Tory party. We need to rid ourselves of this dirge before it’s too late. Starting with PC shoots on sight.)
Personally I think only the facts of the shooting should be looked at ,nothing more , nothing less.You don’t think it’s good every avenue is being explored?
And surely this is also doing that?Personally I think only the facts of the shooting should be looked at ,nothing more , nothing less.
No I do not , to even think that what happened is racially motivated is just wrong .And surely this is also doing that?
How is it wrong? A lot of murders are racially motivated and to rule it out would be silly.No I do not , to even think that what happened is racially motivated is just wrong .
On a much less significant issue, it was reported (via the police) that at Bristol 'Kill the Bill' protests, 1 police office suffered a broken leg, and one a punctured lung. This obviously supported a need for brute force by the police.Those were pretty much the reported facts
Was duggan an innocent man then?On a much less significant issue, it was reported (via the police) that at Bristol 'Kill the Bill' protests, 1 police office suffered a broken leg, and one a punctured lung. This obviously supported a need for brute force by the police.
2 days later, to little fanfare, the Police confirmed they had been mistaken.
Mark Duggan is a very relevant case. Whatever the why's and wherefores of what actually happened that day, what is pretty clear is that the police lied, changed statements, embellished his criminal history etc etc over a significant period of time.
Control the narrative
Innocent of what?Was duggan an innocent man then?
Are you saying the guy was murdered by a police officer ?How is it wrong? A lot of murders are racially motivated and to rule it out would be silly.
That’s not what I said, but to rule it out would be foolish wouldn’t it.Are you saying the guy was murdered by a police officer ?
So do you seriously believe that an acting police officer shot someone because of their colour , and their colour only ?That’s not what I said, but to rule it out would be foolish wouldn’t it.
Again I’m not saying that. But to rule it out would be foolish.So do you seriously believe that an acting police officer shot someone because of their colour , and their colour only ?
The answer is no, he wasn’t innocent. He had collected a gun shortly before he was shot. His motive in doing so was to seek revenge. He was on the radar of op trident (which you dont get on by stealing mars bars). He exited the cab in possession of the gun and was shot by the officer who feared for his life.Innocent of what?
I am simply pointing out that what is fed into the media and reported by them is not necessarily factual. That is undeniably the case in the Mark Duggan shooting.
If you choose to deny that the police lied and gave conflicting and misleading evidence in that case then you are pretty much denying reality.
We know he had the gun outside of the car? Forensic evidence suggests otherwise. It also finds it implausible that Duggan threw it away. Police accounts of the position of how he was shot have also been discredited.The answer is no, he wasn’t innocent. He had collected a gun shortly before he was shot. His motive in doing so was to seek revenge. He was on the radar of op trident (which you dont get on by stealing mars bars). He exited the cab in possession of the gun and was shot by the officer who feared for his life.
What followed was a witch hunt until the facts were known which fuelled rioting not seen since with people dying, criminal acts being committed and thousands of hours jail time.
I’d agree that what the media report is not always factual which ultimately led to the after events listed above. The media guide the narrative.
We know it was located outside of the car. We know it WAS in Duggan’s possession. As I understand it was in a sock in another item and Duggar’s DNA was on the outer item.We know he had the gun outside of the car? Forensic evidence suggests otherwise. It also finds it implausible that Duggan threw it away. Police accounts of the position of how he was shot have also been discredited.
I'm not suggesting Duggan was a great guy. I'm also not trying to belittle the fear the police may have felt at that time.
However, much as people say why not do as the police ask if you have done nothing wrong, then why lie, as a policeman, when recounting the incident if you have nothing to hide?
Suggesting someone has lied is a huge leap and ignorant of the fact that the memory can often be distorted when faced with a situation that is driven by adrenaline.We know he had the gun outside of the car? Forensic evidence suggests otherwise. It also finds it implausible that Duggan threw it away. Police accounts of the position of how he was shot have also been discredited.
I'm not suggesting Duggan was a great guy. I'm also not trying to belittle the fear the police may have felt at that time.
However, much as people say why not do as the police ask if you have done nothing wrong, then why lie, as a policeman, when recounting the incident if you have nothing to hide?
I'm not suggesting people should have a 100% recollection of how an incredibly stressful incident played out.Suggesting someone has lied is a huge leap and ignorant of the fact that the memory can often be distorted when faced with a situation that is driven by adrenaline.
Memories are perceptions of events and witnesses are almost never consistent when viewing the same event.
I do have experience of managing the aftermath of such incidents and its incredible how the mind and peoples memories of the same incident can differ.