Let them have their Super League.

The thing is that if you remove them from the league then the league loses its prestige. The winner of the championship doesn't currently get any real kudos and that is how the winner of the Premier League would be thought of if you took the super teams out.
 
Littlejimmy said:
Watching the way Man City are taking Southampton to the cleaners and thinking of how Chelsea beat us without breaking into a sweat, and when you think of the gulf between the top 3 or 4 clubs...6 at a stretch...and the rest, you wonder what the point is. The same clubs win the cups 90% of the time. They all have massive financial resources, multiple times what the rest do, and a lot of them are funded by dodgy regimes or companies. Screw them, the game is ruined. Let them break away and have their European or World Super League for the glory fans from every corner of the globe. Leave the traditional competitions to the real clubs owned by real chairmen and fans.

Yes, I'm bitter... 🤣
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i don't mean lets make them take 1st pick (as a franchise model) but i kind of do, FFP should hamstring way more than it does

What is the point of PSG if not as a massive laundromatt?
 
Nero said:
Has it ever been any different? I'm not sure how many professional clubs there are but there are not many who have won a competition and even less to have won a top league title. From my immediate thoughts and without searching:

Man United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Man City
Sunderland
Newcastle
Wolves
West Brom
Spurs
Blackburn
Leicester
Nottingham Forest
Derby
Preston
Burnley
Huddersfield

There's probably a few more to add to that list. I reckon during the title winning seasons each of those sides were pretty dominant.
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Not quite sure the point you are trying to make with that lengthy list. There are quite a few more if you go back to 1870s. Most of those you list don’t win titles anymore - just the money clubs these days. Even the League Cup is dominated by the top 4 despite some people arguing a few years ago that the top clubs aren’t interested in it. Since we won it I think only Birmingham and Swansea have won it outside the usual suspects in the last 18 finals.
 
Zoophonic said:
Not quite sure the point you are trying to make with that lengthy list. There are quite a few more if you go back to 1870s. Most of those you list don’t win titles anymore - just the money clubs these days. Even the League Cup is dominated by the top 4 despite some people arguing a few years ago that the top clubs aren’t interested in it. Since we won it I think only Birmingham and Swansea have won it outside the usual suspects in the last 18 finals.
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The point is there's always been a few clubs capable of dominating. Certainly in my lifetime. Liverpool in the 80's, Man United in the 90's and 00's with Arsenal managing the challenge at various times.

Today's dominance by Man City and Liverpool is similar to any other period of dominance.

I don't get why people complain about it or even refuse to watch the highest standard. The likes of Liverpool and Man City are brilliant to watch. So are Bayern Munich in the Champions League. It is possible to watch and appreciate the level of football and quality of the players without getting grumpy about it.
 
It seems like a badge of honour to proclaim no interest on the Premier League. I'm not interested but only because Boro aren't there. In the same way I've only ever been interested in Div.3 once - 86/87.
That will all change if we get promoted again (or relegated).
 
Rofesleg said:
It seems like a badge of honour to proclaim no interest on the Premier League. I'm not interested but only because Boro aren't there. In the same way I've only ever been interested in Div.3 once - 86/87.
That will all change if we get promoted again (or relegated).
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It's all similar to the "I don't care about England" threads on here at various times over the years too. It wouldn't' surprise me if someone puts one up complaining about International Football this week.
 
In the 70s 9 different teams won the fa cup out of the 10 finals , in the last 25 years the same 7 clubs have won every final
 
Wait until the Premier League is reduced to 18 teams, will be even harder to establish a promoted team.

The day will come when the foreign owners will want relegation from the Premier League scrapping.
 
Nano said:
The thing is that if you remove them from the league then the league loses its prestige. The winner of the championship doesn't currently get any real kudos and that is how the winner of the Premier League would be thought of if you took the super teams out.
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What is the point of entering a competition that you can NEVER win? That's not a true competition it's "Sports Entertainment".

Yes the PL would be diminished by the absence of the "Big" four, five or six. But you would have a competition that might be something that any team in it might win. All those teams (like us) who have managed to scrape a sixth or seventh place finish might win it. Much more like the old Division One. Especially if the competition was fairer according to the changes I suggested earlier.
 
There are 92 teams that make up the football structure from the Premier League to League 2. How is it conceivably fair that the same teams continue to win the major domestic titles without any attempt from the Football Association to close the gap? It's perverted that the more they win, the more money they receive.

I adore the Football League and the raw passion that goes with it. I love the 3 o'clock kick offs, the old grounds, the simplicity without VAR, and the fact that it feels almost untouched from the years gone by. The Championship, League 1 and League 2 are competitive.

This truly isn't sour grapes, but the Premier League is the complete opposite for me. When we were last promoted it almost dreaded it. I knew what was to come. The best case scenario was to win a handful of games and stay up. If we were lucky the seasons that would follow would just be to make up the numbers. The worst case scenario would be relegation straight back down. The games were soulless and awash with advertising and corporate sponsorship. 3 o'clock kick offs are largely sacrificed for the pull of the television. The gulf in quality of the football is what surprised me the most though. We were so out of our depth, and an increasing number of teams are these days. Something must be done to bridge the gap.

If the main aim of promotion to the Premier League is to secure a clubs finances then you know there is a serious problem with the football structure that needs addressing.
 
What if there was a total boycott of the PL and Sky Would they just hire people to attend? A bit like Putin the other day. It's getting like Rollerball, with trans-national, trans-sport brands like Red Bull
 
When the 'greed is good teams' threatened to jump ship & join the gravy train super league the remaining PL teams should have agreed to vote to let them go & between themselves to start another league, let them go
 
Muttley said:
What is the point of entering a competition that you can NEVER win? That's not a true competition it's "Sports Entertainment".

Yes the PL would be diminished by the absence of the "Big" four, five or six. But you would have a competition that might be something that any team in it might win. All those teams (like us) who have managed to scrape a sixth or seventh place finish might win it. Much more like the old Division One. Especially if the competition was fairer according to the changes I suggested earlier.
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I fully agree. The existing situation isn't competitive and the regulations that are in place cause that. It could be more competitive without removing the super clubs though. Imagine if Boro somehow managed to become the best team in the country and we win the league but there's a huge asterisk there because we haven't beaten the "real good teams". It would be far more satisfying if we can do what Leicester did and win the league for real.

There needs to be a way to even things up without just taking some teams out. Limit squad sizes/loans, salary caps, re-distribute TV money more evenly etc.

There has been talk recently about the teams in Europe not taking part in the League Cup. It would give other teams a chance to win it but you know it would be no more prestigious than the Papa John's trophy currently is. When that inevitably happens we will see how it would work without them but I don't think we really need to.
 
jam69 said:
In the 70s 9 different teams won the fa cup out of the 10 finals , in the last 25 years the same 7 clubs have won every final
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Small point of order but 8 teams have won in the last 25 years, Portsmouth, Wigan and Leicester in addition to Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal.
 
I hope they do leave, are banned from the F.A.Cup and League Cup and take all their tv fans with em. I would ban all their players from playing for their countries whilst affiliated to such a team. I think people would soon get bored of watching non events like Chelsea V Bayern Munich in Los Angeles or Beijing. Where would their ordinary fans be then. Teams would become global brands, identities lost, where they play would become irrelevant. Good riddance, they’d end up as a bored rich mans toy, something to be discarded once the thrill has gone.
 
The chances of any team doing a Leicester are now extremely remote. Can't really see any other team winning anything such is the imbalance in wealth and the hold of the top 3. This really became obvious the way Chelsea strolled through and away from home, even with distractions off the pitch. Stating the obvious but has to be accepted.
Forget about all that, though. As said, champo is far more competitive and interesting. Just enjoy the journey.. the destination probably won't be as exciting.
 
Benjiboy said:
So you believe some of the dodgy self sponsorship to fiddle figures that goes on is genuine then ....they are as bent as Mel Was
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I believe Boro's figures are genuine. Why would anyone have even the slightest doubt that they are not accurate?

And - as I said - MFC is making losses at levels which are unsustainable. Even allowing for Covid knocking the revenue right down, you can't lose money on the scale MFC is losing money.

So the question is - or was - do you want to be in the Prem League with a chance of breaking even; or be in one of the lower leagues with players' wages commensurate with a £20 million revenue club?
 
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