Latest Kantar poll - Tories 13 points ahead

BoroFur said:
It's not HIS deputy mayor.

Besides the deputy mayor of Camden defecting to The Green Party is hardly earth shattering news.
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It's his deputy mayor as in it is the deputy mayor of where he lives, just like Andy Preston is our mayor regardless of which party we belong to.
It may not be earth shattering news on the world stage but it's pretty big for Labour surely, especially given the reasons.
 
Everything the tories say and do at the moment is designed around them trying to hold together their electoral coalition of traditional tories and brexit supporting former Labour/UKIP voters.

Everything Labour say and do at the moment is designed around shrinking the party's membership and support because the centrists in charge don't want the left to ever again have the numbers to be in the driving seat.

It can be no surprise to anyone when polls go the way they have been, surely?
 
newusername said:
That is pretty irrelevant when his competition in the leadership election was Nandy & Long-Bailey.
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It really isn't but I'm not going to get in to an argument with you here mate. RLB would have been infinitely better and more effective and trustworthy than Sir Keith Stalin.
 
bumface said:
It really isn't but I'm not going to get in to an argument with you here mate. RLB would have been infinitely better and more effective and trustworthy than Sir Keith Stalin.
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I accept it's hearsay but I've spoken to someone who went to Uni with her and he said she was pretty thick.

Whether it's true or not I don't think she comes across well at all. She might be aligned with your values (and probably mine tbh) but you need more than that in a leader. I think she'd have been ripped to bits.

Starmer probably isn't the answer. I'm sure RLB isn't/wouldn't have been either.

Doesn't matter to me personally at this point, literally anyone is better than Tories. I'd vote for her, I'd vote for Starmer and I voted for Corbyn. If Lib Dems had a better chance of beating them I'd vote for them. But it obviously does matter to a significant proportion of the electorate and RLB would have been a car crash on that front, I'm sure of it.
 
festa5 said:
I accept it's hearsay but I've spoken to someone who went to Uni with her and he said she was pretty thick.

Whether it's true or not I don't think she comes across well at all. She might be aligned with your values (and probably mine tbh) but you need more than that in a leader. I think she'd have been ripped to bits.

Starmer probably isn't the answer. I'm sure RLB isn't/wouldn't have been either.

Doesn't matter to me personally at this point, literally anyone is better than Tories. I'd vote for her, I'd vote for Starmer and I voted for Corbyn. If Lib Dems had a better chance of beating them I'd vote for them. But it obviously does matter to a significant proportion of the electorate and RLB would have been a car crash on that front, I'm sure of it.
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Thick compared to who? She was a key figure in putting together the brilliant labour manifestos in the last two elections. If we're going to talk about thick labour MPs then you only have to look at Lisa Nandy. She makes that Lib Dem woman from the last election look like a genius. Can't remember her name now but you know the one that I mean. Answered every question in the debates with 'I think that good things are good and I think that bad things are bad. But Jeremy Corbyn is the spawn of Satan and he WILL eat your children if you don't vote for me instead'. Lost her seat as I recall. She's probably still trying to find it.
 
WoodallServices said:
He needs binning sharpish.
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Surely he deserves a go in front of the electorate then we can judge properly. That should happen in 2023. Constantly changing Labour leader is a bit like constantly changing Boro manager. I didn't particularly like it when Blairites tried to oust Corbyn, even though I would class myself as a Blairite. Constant Labour division only serves to result in more Tory rule.
 
Otto42 said:
Surely he deserves a go in front of the electorate then we can judge properly. That should happen in 2023. Constantly changing Labour leader is a bit like constantly changing Boro manager. I didn't particularly like it when Blairites tried to oust Corbyn, even though I would class myself as a Blairite. Constant Labour division only serves to result in more Tory rule.
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It will happen next year I think!
 
Otto42 said:
Surely he deserves a go in front of the electorate then we can judge properly. That should happen in 2023. Constantly changing Labour leader is a bit like constantly changing Boro manager. I didn't particularly like it when Blairites tried to oust Corbyn, even though I would class myself as a Blairite. Constant Labour division only serves to result in more Tory rule.
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Labour are better at infighting than fighting the opposition, whether the lefties like it or not, a centrist with a personality is what's needed to get the red wall and the floating voters back.
 
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