Wiseman_Vaughn
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I agree, but I don't see anyone else the Tories have that can touch him.
Sunak is the obvious choice.
I agree, but I don't see anyone else the Tories have that can touch him.
You prefer hard Tory then?
Sunak is the obvious choice.
The lesson is don’t look back, look to the future.
We need to be thinking about the questions of 2024 and the 2030s, not the questions of the past.
If anything, Covid has quickened the pace.
The challenges we now face mean that even the questions of 2019 already seem like ancient history.
What we say at the next general election isn’t written yet. But it will be rooted in Labour values.
It won’t sound like anything you’ve heard before. It will sound like the future arriving.'
It'd be stupid to reveal exact policy at this point because if it gained support from the public then it'd be incorporated into the Tory manifesto.
He's not enough of a socialist for me, but if he can get rid of this current mob of self-serving mobsters and start to change the national dialogue to a fairer and more equitable one then he'll do for me.
It might be a long journey to reach where I think we'd be a better nation, but we have to start that journey away from the rush to the right and I think he can do that.
You're not going to get a socialist government in power. For Labour to win a GE you need to be more towards the centre.
I haven’t voted labour for years but this fella might change that. I didn’t like his ridiculous brexit policy but that aside he is far and away the most impressive labour leader that I can remember."As well as anger, I feel frustration that every Labour Party spokesperson is a shadow. Shadow Education. Shadow Health. Shadow Chancellor. Shadow Foreign. Until we come out of the shadows, this party can’t change anything"
“I can see in my mind’s eye the country I want us to be; properly funded universal public services”
"Whilst Boris Johnson was writing flippant columns about bendy bananas, I was defending victims and prosecuting terrorists."
I'm one of these weirdos who believes that socialism is more of a mental attitude than about forcible policy.Correct, the next GE is what 4 years away, plenty of time for sabotage attempts.
Re being socialist enough. You're not going to get a socialist government in power. For Labour to win a GE you need to be more towards the centre. The last 20 years and the era of digital has enabled so many people to launch their own business and the number of private sector businesses has almost doubled in that time. For Labour to win a GE they need to tick the boxes of those people (myself included), for me Keir Starmer does that, something JC couldn't do. He's professional and statesman like in his persona, as a refreshing change to BJ.
Little difference to me.
Not when he introduces tax increases.[/QUOTE
Tax rises are inevitable - whoever is in power.
Tax rises are inevitable - whoever is in power.
In politics political paragons are nothing without power and Starmer is pragmatic enough to realise that, the shift left that Corbyn’s leadership brought means that whilst moving central Starmer still comes from a position that is left of Blair, Brown and Miliband, a decent balance of centralist soft capitalism but with a significant membership and representation of the retrospective left that is the Corbyn legacy, a Labour Party needs the floating centrist votes but can not afford to alienate those on the more Socialist wing of the political spectrum.
The next step is re-establishment in Scotland and Wales an identity as the party of the provinces that Labour has lost over the last decade and define a European policy that will satisfy both sides of the Brexit debate.
Reliance on the failure and incompetence of others should not be enough, policies and ideas that are recognised as been valuable in their own right and will create opportunity for betterment for all, Labour for too long has been seen as creators of a glass ceiling of achievement and that belief needs to be changed to show it’s about raising standards at the bottom and not punishing those at the top.
I think Starmer is an asset to the Labour Party and has been quietly impressive under difficult circumstances in his leadership so far, but he needs to continue to grow into the role and show the electorate how a proper statesman should act and build that trust so they accept the workability of Labour policy in any future election.
I thought you were unhappy with the current situation?
I think this speech shows he knows this. Like Blair, he is a strategic thinker. Johnson and his cabinet are the opposite. Many of the power brokers behind the Tories are strategic, but they only back winners.
Well quite. We'll have to see if new bloke intends to ring any changes or if he just has nicer hair.
He is more wooden than Pinochio. He looks OK up against Johnson, who is a truly abysmal performer under questioning, but the tories will dump him well before the election. Neither are strong interviewees under pressure, although KS is less obviously a bullsh1tter. He helped lose the red wall seats by pushing the 'People's Vote'. He's certainly less loathsome than Johnson but I'd worry if the Tories replaced Johnson with someone who can give at least the appearance of competence.