Keir Starmers speech

He is more wooden than Pinochio. He looks OK up against Johnson, who is a truly abysmal performer under questioning, but the tories will dump him well before the election. Neither are strong interviewees under pressure, although KS is less obviously a bullsh1tter. He helped lose the red wall seats by pushing the 'People's Vote'. He's certainly less loathsome than Johnson but I'd worry if the Tories replaced Johnson with someone who can give at least the appearance of competence.

Like who?

I don't think they have any, they were purged. There may be some in the new intake, but they have no experience and as they were picked for devotion to Brexit, no great competence either.
 
Good point, ASE and Lefty. Hunt currently comes across well in interviews, where he's treated, for the moment, as a cooperative witness. This would soon change if he becomes leader. He's hated by a good proportion of the 1.4 million NHS workers, however. As of now, Sunak is the bookies favourite, followed by Gove. Sunak's popularity will drop once he stops spending and Gove, although fluent, looks like an alien and is despised by teachers. If there was an obvious candidate Johnson would be already gone.
 
I'm not sure which interview you mean, unless it's that one that was doctored by the Cons
Agree with much that has been said to date but his political competence and nous is still an issue. The appalling and bizarre Brexit policy he drafted was an absolute disaster and he needs to learn from that. By trying toplease all he contributed to the landslide
 
I'm not sure which interview you mean, unless it's that one that was doctored by the Cons

Probably the sky one this week when he couldn't give a straight answer about what the 'new leadership' actually was. Or the BBC one where he panicked about BLM and oversteered in to calling it a 'moment'.
 
In January Kier said this;

Ihave always been motivated by a burning desire to tackle inequality and injustice, to stand up for the powerless against the powerful. That’s my socialism. If I see something wrong or spot an injustice, I want to put it right. It’s why I spent 20 years fighting the death penalty across the world, why I marched against the Iraq war, and why I defended the rights of victims of domestic violence as director of public prosecutions.

Today’s inequalities and injustices are obvious: a radical Labour government is needed now more than ever. Inequalities of every type – in power, education, health and wealth – have become ingrained in our society.

Our public services have been decimated by cuts, leaving schools begging parents for money, and sick patients in hospital corridors. The Tories’ assault on welfare has stripped people of their dignity. The future of our children is too often determined by where they are born, and their class, race and gender. We cannot walk past these inequalities and injustices.

Labour lost the election. But the moral fight against inequality and injustice must continue. We must lead that fight against a prime minister with no conviction or principles. Our arguments must be made in parliament, and we must also take them to the country – to the communities we lost at the election, whose trust we need to win back.


As we learn the lessons of our defeat we must relentlessly focus on the future. We can win again if we make the moral case for socialism, a moral socialism that is relevant to people’s everyday lives and the challenges we face as we move into the 2020s and 2030s. There are three foundations to this: economic justice, social justice and climate justice. I believe the free-market economy has failed. It leaves too many people behind, and has fuelled gross inequality. We should be arguing for a new economic model that reduces that inequality, supports trade unions, gives people a real voice in their workplace and enables communities to thrive.

The argument that something can be good for the economy but bad for the environment must end. If it’s bad for the environment, then it is bad for the economy.



Thankfully he is so far being consistent.
 
Vast improvement on Corbyn, who I couldn't wait to see the back of.
Will be happy to vote for him, but I'd probably vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Johnson.
 
'Credible, believable, polished and statesmanlike. He looks and sounds like a real prime minister. '

I totally agree. However his speech, and his leadership, is going to be swallowed up by the current situation and then too many years to the next vote. I worry he's the right man at the wrong time.
 
Agree with much that has been said to date but his political competence and nous is still an issue. The appalling and bizarre Brexit policy he drafted was an absolute disaster and he needs to learn from that. By trying toplease all he contributed to the landslide

I don’t agree with this. Starmers policy was sensible. The majority of the country thought and think brexit was a mistake and the majority of Labour voters wanted to Remain. Putting the deal to a confirmatory vote would have been adult, reasonable and intelligent. A policy of getting brexit done would have wiped Labour out because I can tell you that Remainers would not have voted for Labour. They felt betrayed as it was, lending votes to Corbyn during May’s snap election only to have that deliberately misrepresented by the Lexiters. Millions went on protest marches, 6 million signed a petition, remember.

The real problem was the mixed messages that had been coming from Corbyn’s office for two and a half years. As soon as a pro Remain/2nd referendum statement came out from the NEC or shadow cabinet member, the Milne Lexit Politburo briefed against them with an opposite message. There was no coherent position because a small influential group at the top were rendered stupid by their ideologies. The same is true of the Tory Party but they were helped by also having voters like that, the Brexit Party ‘pact’ and the better messaging. Tory Brexiters are ultimately stupid, but they have a cleverness, a cunning borne from total self interest and are very adept at manipulation to get what they want. It’s easier to be single minded when you are unencumbered by principles, which is why Corbyn was not a competent leader.

Brexit lost Labour some Leave voters but not many. It also lost them some Remain voters. Corbyn however did not attract any Tory Remain voters. Quite the opposite, Corbyn outweighed even Brexit for them. Mainly though it was the first past the post system, coupled with inept leadership of the Lib Dem’s and inept and crazed leadership in Corbyns office. I mean, the Lib Dem’s thought they would gain from an election while the Labour Party’s own internal polling showed they would be decimated, but still they fell into the hubris trap they set themselves.

The last four years has had insanity prevailing at the top of our Parties. It’s nice to see some sanity returning.
 
'it makes me angry that, just when the country needs leadership, we get serial incompetence. Six months in, a Cabinet chosen on loyalty alone shows no sign of having learnt any lessons from the crisis.

Here are two things I’ve learnt.

First, if you neglect your public services, you won’t be ready when a crisis hits. Nobody blames the government for the existence of the virus.

But the under-funding of the NHS, the abandonment of social care and the lack of investment in prevention, that’s all on their watch. That’s all down to them.

And it always ends this way with Tory governments:

Public services are neglected, cut-back, and left to decline. For a party called the Conservative Party, they don’t seem to conserve very much.

The second thing I’ve learnt is that a crisis reveals character like nothing else.

And I think we’ve learnt a lot about this Prime Minister. Tory backbenchers know it. His Cabinet knows it. We all know it.

He’s just not serious. He’s just not up to the job.

Whenever he encounters a problem, Johnson responds either by wishing it away or by lashing out.

He kept wishing away the problems with testing, pretending they didn’t exist. He wished away the problems with the Irish border. Then, when he finally realised what he’d signed up to, he lashed out and decided to break international law.

We’re all doing our bit to combat the virus by obeying the rule of six. Meanwhile the government won’t even obey the rule of law.

And this is the big difference between the Prime Minister and me:

While Boris Johnson was writing flippant columns about bendy bananas, I was defending victims and prosecuting terrorists.

While he was being sacked by a newspaper for making up quotes, I was fighting for justice and the rule of law.'


That is excellent stuff.
Not excellent stuff at all......wonderful stuff!
 
Ruth Davison is the only potential threat. God knows why she’s a Tory
She seems to have a heart and some principles
Let’s just hope she carries on having babies up in Bonny Scotland because they have no one else the public will vote for versus our man kier 👍👍👍
 
Ruth Davison is the only potential threat. God knows why she’s a Tory
She seems to have a heart and some principles
Let’s just hope she carries on having babies up in Bonny Scotland because they have no one else the public will vote for versus our man kier 👍👍👍

She’s an MSP and will then go into the HOL, she’d have to become an MP to become leader.
 
"You have to be in power to change things. It's as simple as that."

Why would any people give you power if you were not asking for change before an election?


your not asking for 'politicians' to say one thing and do another, are you ?

No I'm not. Not even sure how you reached that conclusion from what I wrote to be honest. I also certainly didn't say or imply, don't offer change.

But otherwise yeah, good points 🙄
 
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