Keir Starmers speech

If you're a left wing/socialist person, there's not a lot of appeal in a sequence of governments that goes: Tories get in and reform to the right, Labour centrists get in and keep things the same, Tories get it and reform to the right, Labour centrists get in and keep things the same, ad infinitum.
I agree, I would prefer to have a Proportional Representation system, so that we don't have these lurches.
 
Morning Col:
Just one question regards your "centrist" "middle ground" assertion -
Atlee`s Government was elected by a landslide on the most comprehensive Socialist Manifesto in Labour history:
Nationalisation of;
Railways
British Ports
Gas
Electricity
Water
Power Distribution
The Mines
Creation of the National Health Service
The building of 100,000 new Local Authority Homes in 5 years
Introduction of the Dock Labour Scheme
Guaranteed Pension in retirement.
Introduction of Family Allowance and a system of Social Security to protect the vulnerable and poorest in our society.

Do we not face those issues today?

Attlee's government lasted one term, then lost the 1951 election. It did achieve lots but had run out of steam after 6 years.

Keir Starmer is a good guy but he needs a much more defined manifesto, and he needs to rein in expectations. It's fine to try to achieve "equality of opportunity" but it will take a long time - longer than a decade - so he needs to work out a plan to stay in office. Tonight's party broadcast was underwhelming. Equality of opportunity doesn't mean getting paid loads of money for doing menial jobs. It means being given the chance to go to university or training to do a responsible job, and working hard to make a success of it. Stacking shelves or flipping burgers is not going to be either well paid or responsible, ever.
 
Attlee's government lasted one term, then lost the 1951 election. It did achieve lots but had run out of steam after 6 years.

Keir Starmer is a good guy but he needs a much more defined manifesto, and he needs to rein in expectations. It's fine to try to achieve "equality of opportunity" but it will take a long time - longer than a decade - so he needs to work out a plan to stay in office. Tonight's party broadcast was underwhelming. Equality of opportunity doesn't mean getting paid loads of money for doing menial jobs. It means being given the chance to go to university or training to do a responsible job, and working hard to make a success of it. Stacking shelves or flipping burgers is not going to be either well paid or responsible, ever.
All well and good, but we have a record number of homelessness, an acute shortage of affordable social housing.
We have a shortage of NHS beds and inadequate provision for our people with acute mental health issues.
Over a third of children live in poverty.
It is predicted there will be 4,000,000 out of work by January.
We need action today - not in ten years.
They wont be anything left to defend if we carry on as we are.
Im sure Sir Starmer will tell us all how he has "sympathy" and how he knows where Doncaster is (?!), but that doesnt feed children, give people fulfilling sustainable jobs or put a roof over the head of ex soldiers surviving on our streets.
 
Attlee's government lasted one term, then lost the 1951 election. It did achieve lots but had run out of steam after 6 years.

Keir Starmer is a good guy but he needs a much more defined manifesto, and he needs to rein in expectations. It's fine to try to achieve "equality of opportunity" but it will take a long time - longer than a decade - so he needs to work out a plan to stay in office. Tonight's party broadcast was underwhelming. Equality of opportunity doesn't mean getting paid loads of money for doing menial jobs. It means being given the chance to go to university or training to do a responsible job, and working hard to make a success of it. Stacking shelves or flipping burgers is not going to be either well paid or responsible, ever.
Have you ever stacked shelves by the way?
 
All well and good, but we have a record number of homelessness, an acute shortage of affordable social housing.
We have a shortage of NHS beds and inadequate provision for our people with acute mental health issues.
Over a third of children live in poverty.
It is predicted there will be 4,000,000 out of work by January.
We need action today - not in ten years.
They wont be anything left to defend if we carry on as we are.
Im sure Sir Starmer will tell us all how he has "sympathy" and how he knows where Doncaster is (?!), but that doesnt feed children, give people fulfilling sustainable jobs or put a roof over the head of ex soldiers surviving on our streets.

I agree. I'm struggling to understand why Keir Starmer spurned a valuable chance to promote Labour policy to talk about esoteric, arcane stuff instead.
 
Not much point having a manifesto so far out from an election. No doubt he is keeping his powder dry. Boris is on borrowed time and realistically I think he is regretting ever thinking he was up to the role of being PM. A lot of people were taken in by his tub thumping rendition of promises and lies. When we needed a leader we found that a clown had been elected.
 
All well and good, but we have a record number of homelessness, an acute shortage of affordable social housing.
We have a shortage of NHS beds and inadequate provision for our people with acute mental health issues.
Over a third of children live in poverty.
It is predicted there will be 4,000,000 out of work by January.
We need action today - not in ten years.
They wont be anything left to defend if we carry on as we are.
Im sure Sir Starmer will tell us all how he has "sympathy" and how he knows where Doncaster is (?!), but that doesnt feed children, give people fulfilling sustainable jobs or put a roof over the head of ex soldiers surviving on our streets.
maybe not, but he would certainly move things in the right direction, and getting another more radical socialist would be unelected. So pragmatically he is the best chance of getting some kids out of poverty, and getting a better funded NHS, and resolving some of the affordable housing issues. It's either that, or more Tory misrule, social care dismantling, corruption, cronyism and plundering of the tax coffers and subsidising the elites
 
I have said this before and I will say it again, our children should be taught politics in school as a core subject, along with maths, english and the sciences. It is the single biggest issue that faces people during their life and most people don't understand it and worse don't care.

There is an assumption around the UK that the conservatives are careful with our tax dollars and labour are poor with our taxes, wanting to give them to people on the dole and immigrants. Until this ridiculous stereotype is put to bed and people engage with politics and try to understand politics, we are in trouble. The engaged are a tiny minority and so long as the majority get their political information from newspapers in bite sized chunks the MSM hold sway and we are fecked.

That is why we need to teach politics in schools. Give the population the tools they need to engage with politics, and make informed decisions.
 
Not much point having a manifesto so far out from an election. No doubt he is keeping his powder dry. Boris is on borrowed time and realistically I think he is regretting ever thinking he was up to the role of being PM. A lot of people were taken in by his tub thumping rendition of promises and lies. When we needed a leader we found that a clown had been elected.
The clown as you call him was the only politician capable enough to sort Brexit and enact the outcome of the Referendum.
 
Another day, another Starmer election pledge dropped. Back to the bad old days of Labour pointlessly abstaining on the tories worst bills.
They didn't win the election and changed leadership, they rightly don't have any election pledges to uphold.

Abstaining is a way of saying we know we can't stop your bill because you have a majority and we have tested the water and your MPs are standing with your policy. But we also don't want you to use our opposition as a tool to attack us in future. It's tactical, while having no baring on the outcome of the vote whatsoever.
 
They didn't win the election and changed leadership, they rightly don't have any election pledges to uphold.

Abstaining is a way of saying we know we can't stop your bill because you have a majority and we have tested the water and your MPs are standing with your policy. But we also don't want you to use our opposition as a tool to attack us in future. It's tactical, while having no baring on the outcome of the vote whatsoever.

Boromart Starmer made 10 pledges in the Labour party leadership election. If I'm honest, I don't really believe that you didn't know that's what I was referring to. Feels a lot like a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters.

I agree abstaining has no outcome on the vote whatsoever. But can't see any tactical advantage for it. It's pathetic, and in the case of this bill it goes directly against the party's purported principles. Starmer sold himself to the Labour membership as a human right lawyer ffs.

It's certainly not tactical to then sack 3 of his MPs from their roles in the shadow front bench, much less to leak their sacking to the Guido Fawkes blog before the individuals themselves are informed.
 
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