swordtrombonefish
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Is that a euphemism?
Just Stop Oil protester punched and kicked
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You make some very informed points. I think the point of their name doesn't really suggest they think we could 'Just Stop' however, Rather, it expresses the exaggeration at the endless foot dragging by governments in hock to fossil fuel lobbies or driven by short term electoral calculation. The direct action they take reinforces this exasperation: it's designed to cause a spectacle, to get up people's noses.
I think Labour's national plan for a Green New Deal is vital and long overdue. Your point about manpower is valid, and that is exactly the sort of thing such a plan would address from the off. it's another demonstration that you need the state in the modern world to take on large-scale risk and infrastructural planning, that neoliberal economics needs to just get the f**k out of the way.
r00fie1
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Humility and empathy from a 21 year old man concerning a violent thug who earlier kicked him in the head.........something the politicians could do well to learn from.
If that was a "football fan" or thug in a pub - that offender would be hand-cuffed and carted off to the nick.
If that was a "football fan" or thug in a pub - that offender would be hand-cuffed and carted off to the nick.
Quicksilvera
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Assaulted in broad daylight yet he stays on message, what a good lad.
I don't know why anybody is taking issue with what I've posted .. A very one sided thread at the start with people just assuming someone has got annoyed with the protestors and lamped one .. I've then provided context as to WHY he did it according to reports .. but because it doesn't fit with the desired narrative .. people decide to get funny ..I'd say, and I could be wrong.... but maybe saying this message board is an echo chamber on a thread with lots of different posters putting forward wildly different opinions isn't the most intelligent use of a post I've seen on here.
But like I say, I could be wrong!
So I'll leave it to you all to it.
MolteniArcore
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Sounds to me like the guy got annoyed with the protesters and lamped one. You adding some kind of context to this implies that you are trying to justify his actions. The context adds nothing, with it or without it the guy committing the assault does so illegally and behaves like a prize pr*ck.
As usually though, some vigilante assaulting JSO has furthered their cause. It will get even more media coverage now, even some sympathy from some. It will make JSO carry on, not give up. So the guy is a double idiot as he’s helped them in a roundabout way.
I do hope that the cops track the guy down, with that footage they surely don’t need a complaint from the nice chap who was assaulted. He should go to jail for that unprovoked assault.
So his pregnant wife at the scene at their crashed car is just a coincidence, huh?
Ok.
Well I don't think there's single JSO protester who would be happy - or would imagine - that a woman might lose her baby because of one of their protests. They price in inconveniencing people for sure, especially motorists, but also sports fans etc. But their response would be that global warming threatens to do more than inconvenience a few people, it threatens to devastate the planet.
As for being self righteous, on the contrary I think they're being selfless. There's nothing in it for them as individuals; they're doing it for everyone else. They aren't becoming celebrities, they're getting banged up.
There was some kind of 'ism' involved. I think that particular 'ism' began with the letter J.
swordtrombonefish
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Clearly not jingoism then
A gentleman never tells.
Hopefully, but he's also provided a martyr for the GB News culture warriors who will now be mounting a campaign to keep him out of jail. No doubt Sunak and Braverman will be on it saying that while they 'don't condone his actions they can understand people's frustrations' [at these lawbreaking hippy types who want to stop you, Joe Public, DRIVING YOUR CAR that you've WORKED HARD - unlike these soap-dodging tw*ts -- TO BUY]. More grist to the Culture War mill - the Tories' only remaining hope...
MolteniArcore
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I‘m sure the judge will let him off cos she was knocking around.
MolteniArcore
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Those Gbeebies lot have their minds made up anyway. They don’t need a martyr, they already have Dan Wootton.
What's that got to do with me or with me providing more information than the original BBC news report had? I've provided more context. That's it.
The guy lamped one of the protestors after his pregnant wife had been involved in a car crash after coming across the JSO protestors on a busy road. Them are the facts.
I'm not saying he was right to do it. I've not said I support what he did. I just provided the extra context.
Why is extra context and information such an issue for people?
changingman
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A minor point on ULEZ generally...the objective isn't to restrict movement. Just limit the amount of higher polluting vehicles in areas with high densities of people. Public transport, cycling and walking are still allowed.
If you equate "travel" with "car" it shows just how much work there still is to go I guess .
Expat Smoggie
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I don't see these protestors outside the "big pharma" sites or perhaps the semiconductor factories in various cities-- why don't they create a human shield around the entrances to these location?. While their protest is meaningful their energy perhaps is aimed at the wrong people and therefore this punch-up was bound to happen, with no doubt more to follow.
Laughing
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Is not but it adds nothing. You are excusing an assault of an innocent man. That's the context you are providing. And I am ignorant and require pandering?
atypical_boro
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As finny said it’s a victory for culture wars. JSO aren’t going to persuade many average Joes on the street to think differently by disrupting their days, and there are people who will go totally over the top with their reaction unfortunately. This guy has committed a serious offence and should be punished accordingly but what I would say is that the times my wife has been pregnant I could easily have reacted irrationally if I felt someone else had caused her harm.
Basically, you have two extreme sides of the argument here, JSO are taking extreme action, and this guy has reacted in an extreme, thuggish way, but it’s all being caused because nobody “rational” in the middle is actually doing anything of note.
I’ll never understand anyone driving in central London mind.
Basically, you have two extreme sides of the argument here, JSO are taking extreme action, and this guy has reacted in an extreme, thuggish way, but it’s all being caused because nobody “rational” in the middle is actually doing anything of note.
I’ll never understand anyone driving in central London mind.
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atypical_boro
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This is where I’m at. Only a fool would discredit their intentions, it just doesn’t seem as though they’re winning many fans. I have no issue with them disrupting sporting events where people’s lives aren’t at stake etc.I also admire the fact JSO at least have the courage of their convictions. Is it the right way to go about it? Not sure
Driving notoriously gets people all stoked up. Targeting drivers is always going to risk this kind of reaction, even if it’s a totally unacceptable reaction.