Joy Division or New Order?

Wiseman_Vaughn said:
The 2 Stephen morris books are great! (Fast Forward and Record Play Pause)

Joy Division were raw and part of the DIY generation - it didn't matter if you could play or not.

When New Order were formed, Morris had embraced tech and the beat box - they were uncovering and pioneering new things in music.

Both great but Ian curtis was a great frontman where Barney was a reluctant one
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Incredible books, especially for those more interested in the musical side of things.

The Hacienda: How Not to run a Club by Hooky is a great read too, breaking down all the monthly financial statements and offering insight into just why it all went wrong for Factory.

His 2nd autobiography (Substance: Inside New Order) is also a decent read, even if there's a LOT of humble bragging about drugs and booze in it.

Sumner's is also decent but christ, he moans a hell of a lot.
 
enjoying this thread so might as well carry it on.

So, what are your favourite 3 Joy Division tracks? Mine are:

Colony, Peel Sessions version
Day of the Lords
Ceremony
 
Juninhoburger said:
Incredible books, especially for those more interested in the musical side of things.
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yeah - very witty guy and understated too. Great books. I loved the bit where they refused him entry to the Hacienda and he said "but it's my club|"

I read Hooky's books too - good but tinged with a bit of bitterness. Didn't realise that he almost joined Killing Joke.
 
Love them both. New Order more in my 20s and 30s. Really got into Joy Division in my 40s, in my early 50s now. The current iteration of New Order isn’t really New Order without Hooky imho, wish him and Barney could settle their differences. Watched Peter Hook and The Light in April, he really puts on a top show of the Joy Division classics.
 
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Brian Marwood said:
Which do you prefer?

I like Joy Division but love New Order so it’s the latter for me.
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It probably depends the person you were when you got into them. We connect with music in different ways depending on our age, environment, social group, political outlook at the time we connect. For me, it's New Order - when I got into them, around Low Life, they had an edge, were enigmatic, and that album was peak crossover between Joy Division and the pop New Order (still very good). Getting into New Order, I then worked backwards to Joy Division and found a soundtrack to my teenage angst. But at that point Joy Division were long gone and the experience felt somewhat removed. So, New Order.
 
DM cold chillin' said:
It probably depends the person you were when you got into them. We connect with music in different ways depending on our age, environment, social group, political outlook at the time we connect. For me, it's New Order - when I got into them, around Low Life, they had an edge, were enigmatic, and that album was peak crossover between Joy Division and the pop New Order (still very good). Getting into New Order, I then worked backwards to Joy Division and found a soundtrack to my teenage angst. But at that point Joy Division were long gone and the experience felt somewhat removed. So, New Order.
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By a country mile
 
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