Josh

Johngannonsunderpants said:
I'd like to see how much more ground he covers than Archer.
People on here really seem (conveniently) to miss his other attributes adding to why we kept a clean sheet at the other end and probably why we were able to score late on (not a dig at you).
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Thats a good point for all that archer was a good forward who stretched defences and was a really good finisher. There were games where he was hardly involved and did go missing at times. You couldnt aim that at Coburn. Two very different players but Coburn is doing alot for the team even without the goals.
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
I completely disagree, did you see the 50 yard sprint he put in just prior to going off. He's also playing without a number 10 to support him as crooks is playing (very well) as a 10.5, playing towards the right to support Issey meaning he's more isolated.
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He has his moment of closing, of course, but watch him specifically next game then watch Lath, it's chalk and cheese. The good news is that it isn't laziness with Josh, he's just a big lad that isn't capable of constant closing down. I agree he gets isolated quite a bit by the way.
 
He's playing his part in a resurgent Boro team, but I'm sure Carrick will be pondering the No9 position. Josh is certainly handling the physical side of the game, especially as he's only 20 and playing in a battering ram position. He has missed some chances and not been quite as effective recently.
Lath provides great movement and pace, but can be frustrating.
For me, I'd change it around tomorrow, we have a lot of games coming up in this run, including a midweek cup-tie.
 
borolad259 said:
You see how much good stuff he does in the matchday video.
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OK, just checked it. This is where he appears:

1:30 - runs offside and pokes the ball wide. Wasn't great movement, too straight, he got in between the CBs but should then have check his run before going again. A little over excited I guess
3:30 - got in between defenders but poor header high and wide
4:00 - put through by Izzy, lacks composure with the finish and drags it wide with just the keeper to beat
4:20 - poor first touch, second touch was a tackle, luckily it broke to Izzy to keep the attack going
6:00 - I liked his movement but the ball didn't come in.
6:20 - on his heels, might have made it more uncomfortable for the defenders if he'd been more aware that the keeper might save Crooks shot

He did get himself between the sticks and get between defenders a little more often this game than the two previous. Still a lot to learn, but I'll repeat there's a lot of ability there. I'm sure he'll come strong again, but for me Lath looks an absolute handful, a little unpredictable, but then we see exactly that from Josh too.

Right now:
- Lath is a goal every 193mins, Josh 505 mins
- Shots per 90: Lath 4.8 shots, Josh 1.3
- shots on target per 90: Lath 2.5, Josh 0.6
- Dribbles: Lath 1.1 per 90, Coburn 0.2
- Loss of possession: Lath 3.3 per 90, Josh 3.4
- Passes per 90: Lath 14.4 Josh 16.7
- Tackles per 90: Lath 0.6, Josh 0.1
- Interceptions per 90: Lath 0.3, Josh 0.1
- Key Passes Lath 0.3, Josh 0.6

Lath will hit the target more, score more, is better with the ball at his feet, tackles and intercepts the ball high up the pitch.
Josh does a bit more passing and creation around him.
Might be surprising to some, but they both give the ball away equally.

Very different forwards, different skillsets, and it would be interesting to compare Josh at 20 to Lath at the same age, I would suspect Josh is ahead of him, but as of today he has some catching up to do with 24 year old Lath. I'm not gonna go in a corner and cry if Josh starts vs Norwich, but I think the time is right for Lath to come in, he's been a handful every recent sub appearance, and I think the time is right to take Josh out the firing line, he has misfired a bit in front of goal, and he needs a couple of games coming on against defenders that have been given the run around by Lath for 70 mins, it'll help his confidence.
 
I thought he had a brilliant game. He battered their defence. Just before he was replaced, he had three defenders near him on the right hand side and he had this amazing strength to win the ball, keep them at bay then lay it off. I was like “wow”. He’s getting in the right positions though and getting stronger and quicker by the week. Sure, he missed two glorious chances but he is still learning and raw. One things for sure, MC won’t have him in the team if he doesn’t think it’s worth it.
 
Gibson and Duffy are not great , but are experienced, Josh will give them a game , Duffy might try to bully him , he is maybe better going one to one with Gibson and punish his lack of pace and his poor right foot . Latte on at 65 minutes and they will panick about his pace . Looking forward to it.
 
JOsh is doing fine; he's going to be an asset for years to come.
He has come in and made a positive impact.
However, I would start ELL tomorrow: he's also made an impact in his last 3 sub appearences.
Josh did miss chances at the weekend; that's how it goes for young players. He'll have a run of good games, then need to be taken out of the front line, before going again.
It doesn't mean there's any problem; it's just the right time to give him a break.
 
BoroMart said:
OK, just checked it. This is where he appears:

1:30 - runs offside and pokes the ball wide. Wasn't great movement, too straight, he got in between the CBs but should then have check his run before going again. A little over excited I guess
3:30 - got in between defenders but poor header high and wide
4:00 - put through by Izzy, lacks composure with the finish and drags it wide with just the keeper to beat
4:20 - poor first touch, second touch was a tackle, luckily it broke to Izzy to keep the attack going
6:00 - I liked his movement but the ball didn't come in.
6:20 - on his heels, might have made it more uncomfortable for the defenders if he'd been more aware that the keeper might save Crooks shot

He did get himself between the sticks and get between defenders a little more often this game than the two previous. Still a lot to learn, but I'll repeat there's a lot of ability there. I'm sure he'll come strong again, but for me Lath looks an absolute handful, a little unpredictable, but then we see exactly that from Josh too.

Right now:
- Lath is a goal every 193mins, Josh 505 mins
- Shots per 90: Lath 4.8 shots, Josh 1.3
- shots on target per 90: Lath 2.5, Josh 0.6
- Dribbles: Lath 1.1 per 90, Coburn 0.2
- Loss of possession: Lath 3.3 per 90, Josh 3.4
- Passes per 90: Lath 14.4 Josh 16.7
- Tackles per 90: Lath 0.6, Josh 0.1
- Interceptions per 90: Lath 0.3, Josh 0.1
- Key Passes Lath 0.3, Josh 0.6

Lath will hit the target more, score more, is better with the ball at his feet, tackles and intercepts the ball high up the pitch.
Josh does a bit more passing and creation around him.
Might be surprising to some, but they both give the ball away equally.

Very different forwards, different skillsets, and it would be interesting to compare Josh at 20 to Lath at the same age, I would suspect Josh is ahead of him, but as of today he has some catching up to do with 24 year old Lath. I'm not gonna go in a corner and cry if Josh starts vs Norwich, but I think the time is right for Lath to come in, he's been a handful every recent sub appearance, and I think the time is right to take Josh out the firing line, he has misfired a bit in front of goal, and he needs a couple of games coming on against defenders that have been given the run around by Lath for 70 mins, it'll help his confidence.
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Any chance of a critique of ELL last start in the league?
 
If we had not got that late goal I think there would have been a lot of crticism of him as he did miss a couple of easy ones. I do like him but think lathe deserves another chance at starting
 
He very much plays as a striker and generally stays within the width of the box and occupies the CB's and doesn't really come deep looking for the ball too often. I wonder if that has helped our spacing going forward (for Crooks especially) and made us look a bit more dangerous. Before he came in I thought a lot of our attacking players including our strikers were all coming into that 10 area and making us too narrow and congested.

I do think LL should start against Norwich with their two slow CB's and how wide open they look against Leeds I think he can exploit their weaknesses against pace.
 
Latte Lath with a cheeky pic on his insta story of him from the game on Saturday. Maybe a hint he’s got the nod for tomorrow 👀
 
Jr. SkinnyLegs said:
He very much plays as a striker and generally stays within the width of the box and occupies the CB's and doesn't really come deep looking for the ball too often.
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I wouldn't entirely agree with that, he drops 40 from goal quite regularly to get involved in build up.
 
outoftown said:
Any chance of a critique of ELL last start in the league?
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Lets look at his last 3 sub appearances, has he done enough to force his way back in?

Birmingham:
6:50, pulls away from Sanderson, takes the ball well, turns and faces up, bends the ball around two defenders to put Crooks through, pull back hits defender and nearly an own goal

7:31, good run off the back of their defenders to take a 50 yard long ball. Occupies 3 defenders as he gets it under control. Sanderson gets a toe on the ball, but Lath is aware enough to use his body to create a block and allow Rogers to run through without the defender getting to him, 2 seconds later Rogers has scored the winner.

8:48, 50 yard all to Lath, takes it with a sublime touch. despite teh defender being touch tight. Bursts away from two defenders and lays it off to Forss. Comes back to him, can't quite take the ball as it's behind him and a weak shot follows


Sunderland:
7:48 gets goalside of Nien, O'Nien tries to bring him down, leaving the space for Jones to power through for our third goal.
9:20: Lath makes a great near post run, reacts and out paces Ballard, good powerful first time strike on target, keeper saves and Forss taps in.

Cardiff:
6:14 Forss flick, Lath gives defender 20 yard headstart and still comfortably beats him to the ball on the half way line, then muscles past him, with a second defender coming in , he makes an angle then checks back, slight stumble but he's up and finishes into the far corner.

7:32, long ball from the back, Lath pins the CB and chests it back for Crooks who plays Rogers in first time, almost another goal

Yes, he's caused havoc every match he's come on recently.
 
Whilst Coburn and Lath have clearly different attributes they are both a real handful for defenders physically. Coburn is a big lad and Latte Lath has tremendous upper body strength. They're both complete bloody nuisances for central defenders.
 
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