Jonny Howson hoping for new Boro contract

Keeping him to be squad player has to come with the contract to match. It's often quoted that he's our highest earner (along with McNair) and neither of them are offering good value as back-ups. If they want to remain a part of the club but play the back-up role they need to accept half what they are currently getting.


Craig Johns article includes a little section about how Howson took a huge paycut to stay at the club on a new contract, and that money isn't really in his thinking.

If he's really wanting to stay, he'd surely accept something that we can work with.
 
He’s been a great pro for the club and on his day he’s the metronome that makes the midfield tick. However, probably due to his age and having to play more than his legs need, I don’t think he’s always reached his high standards this season. Personally, I think we need a ‘Leadbitter’ type figure in midfield. Someone who will motivate team mates and not stand for anyone giving less than 100% Someone who will really get stuck in when the going gets tough and drive the team. I think this is important when you’ve got ball players like Barlaser and a youngster like Hackney in midfield, as talented as he is. As a captain, Johnny is a little too quiet for me. Just my opinion and I’m sure plenty will disagree.
 
He’s been a great pro for the club and on his day he’s the metronome that makes the midfield tick. However, probably due to his age and having to play more than his legs need, I don’t think he’s always reached his high standards this season. Personally, I think we need a ‘Leadbitter’ type figure in midfield. Someone who will motivate team mates and not stand for anyone giving less than 100% Someone who will really get stuck in when the going gets tough and drive the team. I think this is important when you’ve got ball players like Barlaser and a youngster like Hackney in midfield, as talented as he is. As a captain, Johnny is a little too quiet for me. Just my opinion and I’m sure plenty will disagree.

I don't think it matters too much who wears the armband. Natural leaders will lead anyway. Agree we maybe need a few more of them mind.
 
I did think he looked a bit off the pace vs Sunderland.

It's to be expected that he is now going to be on the decline, we just have to hope that it's not going to be a rapid decline and he can play another season at this level.

I'd give him another year but I'd like to think he'll be used more as a squad player. Really need to sign a decent DM in the summer.
I think his game is affected by having the average Barlasser alongside him with Barlasser terrified of passing the half way line and taking howsons space and upsetting the balance of the team. The quicker Barlasser is back on the bench the better and Hackney alongside howson attacking teams whilst howson mops up.
Barlasser is far too defensive and we have a better player doing that ; Mr Jonny Howson
 
He’s been a great pro for the club and on his day he’s the metronome that makes the midfield tick. However, probably due to his age and having to play more than his legs need, I don’t think he’s always reached his high standards this season. Personally, I think we need a ‘Leadbitter’ type figure in midfield. Someone who will motivate team mates and not stand for anyone giving less than 100% Someone who will really get stuck in when the going gets tough and drive the team. I think this is important when you’ve got ball players like Barlaser and a youngster like Hackney in midfield, as talented as he is. As a captain, Johnny is a little too quiet for me. Just my opinion and I’m sure plenty will disagree.
About how I see him too. It irks me somewhat (and did again on Saturday) that when our heads are dropping or we look disorganised it was predominantly RvdB talking, organising, shouting instructions etc.

I 'like' Howson, he's been a solid signing and we've had great service from him. He's a model pro, covered a number of positions for us well, and his frame and fitness (whilst seeing him out muscled and out powered too often) allows him to be effective in games when others are flagging. But I'll never 'love' him as a player as I did with Boating, Leadbitter, Mustoe and a few others.

But...overall he's been a bit 'meh' in my opinion. He's always been decent without ever being 'great', he isn't what I thought we were getting for the fee when we signed him. He isn't a much of a leader, he doesn't seem to organise, gee up his team mates or younger players, he has never been quick, a tackler, a take one for the team type, he hasn't regularly scored or assisted at much of a level either. I think that he has been seen as our main man in midfield for so long is probably a bit of a negative ultimately.

I think it makes total sense to move on from him, but wouldn't begrudge him another year in a much reduced role, but not as first team captain on the pitch.

The big trouble with moving on from him is that we have absolutely nothing midfield wise to replace him.

O'Brien isn't ours, hasn't had a run in midfield to see if he could be as good for us as he was for Huddersfield, and I've seen various bits and bobs about Forest rating him at the £8 million to £10 million level.

Barlaser maybe effective with the right partner, he passes well and is good in possession, but doesn't seem solid enough to be the deeper 'sitter' in our two man midfield, he could maybe operate effectively a bit further forward with a Clayton type behind him?

Hackney is obviously nailed on as our more forward thinking CM and although he seems to have dropped off a bit the last few weeks (brought back too early?) he is still our star player, which obviously attracts interest from PL teams, I'll be over the moon if he's still here late next August, but wouldn't be surprised if he isn't.

So realistically we may only have one centre mid on the books by July, Barlaser, who is a bit up and down in the boards perceptions. From nailed on starter to league one at best. Is he good enough to push us on into the top 6? I think probably not, so we may well need a squad CM to complement Barlaser to rest / rotate with the starting pair.

For that new starting pair, we need a 'better than Howson' option who can sit in, sniff out danger, be athletic and powerful enough to influence games, ideally with a touch of shīthousėry and the dark arts thrown in as well. And probably the more difficult a 'as good as Hackney' to replace his drive, ball carrying and inter-passing / goal threat. Both would have to be very comfortable receiving the ball, short passing and carrying it how Carrick has us playing too.

That's a Hell of recruitment job in one window, and unless we're very lucky / crafty it will be expensive too.

Like a few have said the recruitment team have known this would be coming for 12 months, so hopefully we have irons in fires. That said, they knew we needed another striker in August, then we had none fit in January and also lost Rogers and Jones and we did nothing to strengthen the forward areas after getting Azaz in early doors. So who knows!
 
I wouldn't be against him for another year, but if he plays as many games next season as he has this i'd be disappointed. I think he's valuable on and off the pitch, i think he still has something to give i just hope the club is going forward and looking for better footballers and unfortunately for him time has caught up with him and that might mean a lesser contract and less playing time, but its all about his goals now. Does he drop a level to play more, does he accept a lesser role to stay here etc...

I'd keep him on a lesser wage and aim to improve the squad so he played here and there, cover for injuries, shoring up games when we're ahead etc.
 
I'd have no problem with him in the team next season, v Chelsea in the first game I thought he was our best player - certainly the most aware - he sees things far more quickly than many in our squad, still a very good footballer..
 

Craig Johns article includes a little section about how Howson took a huge paycut to stay at the club on a new contract, and that money isn't really in his thinking.

If he's really wanting to stay, he'd surely accept something that we can work with.
It was said last season that Howson, Akpom and McNair were our 3 highest earners (other than loan players) at somewhere between £25k-£30k per week. The main reason we couldn't afford to keep Akpom is because we'd have had to double his wages and smash our wage structure. I'm assuming when we first signed Howson he was on more than that. We were paying a lot more as standard back then, even before promotion but we signed him after a year in the PL, with parachute payments and a view to "smashing the league" so he was already on very good money which none of our recent signings will be anywhere near. The wage reduction he took will still be one of the highest in the squad, if not the highest. He has been club captain and played every minute so it's not like it would be wild to suggest he is still our highest earner.

We have a finite amount to spend on wages. It's about value as much as anything and if we can pay a bit more to get someone promising or at the peak of their career because we're not paying back-up players our max wage then it's probably what we need to do. If we are missing out on our targets or struggling to keep some of the younger, more promising players, then it doesn't make sense to be prioritising our wage bill on our bench, especially for players with no sell on value. If he (and McNair) were to leave and find a different club they might get a decent offer because there will be no transfer fee involved but if we want them to stay and be squad players it has to be on average wages for our squad, not slight pay decreases for them which leaves them as top earners. I suspect it is different with Howson than McNair as he is still captain and considered first choice but there is probably better value available.

Or 2/3’s, unless of course you are a club accountant Nano!
If the quoted figures are correct on this site (I'm assuming not because the accounts show our total wage bill being closer to £30m than the £16m they have but I would guess they'd be in the right ballpark relatively) then a 2/3 paycut would still have him as our highest earner. If he's to be a back-up then paying more than anyone else in the squad might mean it's not good value.

 
I think his game is affected by having the average Barlasser alongside him with Barlasser terrified of passing the half way line and taking howsons space and upsetting the balance of the team. The quicker Barlasser is back on the bench the better and Hackney alongside howson attacking teams whilst howson mops up.
Barlasser is far too defensive and we have a better player doing that ; Mr Jonny Howson
Yeah I do agree that Barlaser drops too deep at times.

At one point during the Sunderland game I'd noticed VDB was telling him to push forward because Barlaser had dropped deep asking for the ball.
 
A no for me with Howson, he has been a decent servant and very reasonable player for us, no 2 ways about it.

We need new younger players in the team, he's 36 for crying out loud, his time is done here imho. We would be lacking ambition if we did give him a contract.
 
I think Caesium’s earlier post nails it for me. He’s a model pro, but lacks the nasty side to his game and the necessary leadership qualities we need in a senior midfielder. With a Clayton figure alongside him the Johnny of two years or so ago would be a better proposition. I think if we want to challenge for the top six next season we’re going to need better than he can currently offer us. What would we give for Grant in his prime? He’d bring the best out of our youngsters.
For what it’s worth, I don’t get the negativity towards Barlaser. Hiis passing and vision should only get better as he beds further into the team. I do think he’s a confidence player though.
 
I reckon Howson would want to play regularly and not sure that is possible, if we want to go up next season (I know it's early to write this season off, but we are now on the fringes of the play-offs, rather than realistically challenging). I doubt he would wait to see what other central midfielders we bring in but could be a big turnover if as expected O'Brien goes back to Forest. I doubt we would pay much above 5M for him if that.
As always, a big summer transfer window for Boro, with probably no big names, and then a rush at the end of the window when the season is already 5 or 6 games in.
 
Great servant unless he wants a coaching job sentiment shouldn't be enough for a new deal move on if he's still looking for a game, Saturday showed his legs have gone
 
Great servant unless he wants a coaching job sentiment shouldn't be enough for a new deal move on if he's still looking for a game, Saturday showed his legs have gone
Agree, one quiet game in 33 and it’s time to show him where the exits are located.

The fans don’t chant his name to just clear their throats ya know.
Knowledgeable fans understand his worth anything else is just noise
 
I'd give him another year without much hesitation really, think he still does a good job for us, and having someone like him around, with his experience and leadership and how much of a lead by example model professional he is can only be a good influence on the squad off the pitch too.
 
I think his game is affected by having the average Barlasser alongside him with Barlasser terrified of passing the half way line and taking howsons space and upsetting the balance of the team. The quicker Barlasser is back on the bench the better and Hackney alongside howson attacking teams whilst howson mops up.
Barlasser is far too defensive and we have a better player doing that ; Mr Jonny Howson

I’ve never heard Barlaser described as defensive 😂

Has he ever won a tackle for us? Or even put one in?!
 
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