ChrisTheRed
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On the money. Sadly, people that have money or plentiful disposable income forget that others don't and are removed from reality.
Jobless rate hits 5%...
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On the money. Sadly, people that have money or plentiful disposable income forget that others don't and are removed from reality.
ChrisTheRed
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ChrisTheRed
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JM14
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Would be interesting to know the full extent of unemployment in this country even pre covid , they like to spin the numbers as being fantastic but how many will be on zero hour contracts pulling in a few hours a week because companies are allowed to hire ten people for one job, or being paid three quid an hour for apprenticeships. Not sure if its still the case now but I know they used to class you as employed if you were on a job centre training course
BoroFur
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Those 'Red Wall' seats don't seem to be holding up very well for the Tories.Look beneath the headline.
Latest GB Voting Intention (18 January 2021) - Redfield & Wilton Strategies
Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Conservative Party leading the Labour Party by 2%.redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com
On this one for example there are 16% or respondents who don't know who they will vote for. Then the Conservative lead is only 2% it is a massive bunch of people that could easily swing it either way.
And when unemployment goes up, the recession hits, house prices drop, people wise up to Brexit etc etc they won't be queuing up to vote for Johnson.
There's only the South East, South West & the East holding them up at present.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Good ole 2019 in some eyes, just another year in a ridiculously governed country for many.
What was good about 2019 that makes you want to return to the same, the conditions you refer to have been around for a long time, we've been suffering them since neo liberalism was adopted as our philosophy, reversing the effects takes more than a successful vaccine and a healthy hospitality sector, which incidentally was a lot healthier pre neo liberalism.
What was good about 2019 that makes you want to return to the same, the conditions you refer to have been around for a long time, we've been suffering them since neo liberalism was adopted as our philosophy, reversing the effects takes more than a successful vaccine and a healthy hospitality sector, which incidentally was a lot healthier pre neo liberalism.
SmallTown
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No offence but that's the single most stupid thing you've ever said. You were asked if you were dying and waiting for an ICU would it matter to youif you could get taken into an ICU straight away or you had to wait around in a corridor until someone else died so you could have and ICU bed.
I know you're desperate to win any argument but just think before you type.
Alvez_48
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Completely agree, I was shocked how quickly official unemployment figures went up last year given that we know they are manipulated so heavily.
That was with furlough.
We also have entered a new era where money is completely uncoupled from any store of value.
Last year the US created approximately 30% of all the $s ever made.
Similarly here we have created sums of 'money' that is just unfathomable for the human brain to even attempt to process.
The money spent on the UK's track and trace would have paid for several fully loaded aircraft carriers for instance.
It's why you see asset classes inflating, everything from stocks, classic cars, art, crypto to fine wines.
Yet we have deflationary pressure on cheap food etc.
I have no idea how it plays out but the legislation enacted suggests that the state is planning for large societal unrest.
Alvez_48
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I don't disagree C_t_C it was more of a sarcastic jape about 2019.
However this time really is different. You seem to think we can go to a better place going forward I'm saying that's wishful thinking. This ain't Star Trek mon frere.
American_Mary
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If we open things up too soon then lockdown will be a waste of time. I want life to return to normality as quickly as possible but not before we are in the situation where lockdowns for Covid become a thing of the past, uncertainty does not help.
The ONS figures are showing that suicides dropped during the first lockdown and increased as things reopened in the summer, Jan to Mar 10.3 per 100k, Apr to June 6.9 per 100k and July to Sep 10.7 per 100k.
On every single day of 2021 more people have died of Covid than committed suicide in any single month of 2020. Whilst I hold every sympathy with those impacted by suicide and those who are suffering mental anguish through Covid it would seem that the issues are wider than merely the pandemic.
It is up to the government to provide support and solutions to businesses whilst trying to protect the population from Covid as much as possible, it us to the government to provide a health care system that protects those caught by the worst financial implications of Covid.
The sad truth is that this crisis highlights the very real impact of a decade of mismanagement and neglect have had on our social service system and the focus on the few rather than the many, whilst the country is ravaged with death, unemployment, financial uncertainty, increased red tape for business the man at the top has pledged £120m of tax payers money on a Festival celebrating 'British Exceptionality'.....makes you so proud to see Johnson fiddle while our homes burn.
The final elephant in the room is that undoubtedly Covid has had a massive impact but it's no coincidence that further job losses have coincided with Brexit becoming reality and that isn't a malaise that can be helped by a vaccine and isn't it funny that so many who hark back to the halcyon days of 2019 are the ones so vociferous in their need for change.
The ONS figures are showing that suicides dropped during the first lockdown and increased as things reopened in the summer, Jan to Mar 10.3 per 100k, Apr to June 6.9 per 100k and July to Sep 10.7 per 100k.
On every single day of 2021 more people have died of Covid than committed suicide in any single month of 2020. Whilst I hold every sympathy with those impacted by suicide and those who are suffering mental anguish through Covid it would seem that the issues are wider than merely the pandemic.
It is up to the government to provide support and solutions to businesses whilst trying to protect the population from Covid as much as possible, it us to the government to provide a health care system that protects those caught by the worst financial implications of Covid.
The sad truth is that this crisis highlights the very real impact of a decade of mismanagement and neglect have had on our social service system and the focus on the few rather than the many, whilst the country is ravaged with death, unemployment, financial uncertainty, increased red tape for business the man at the top has pledged £120m of tax payers money on a Festival celebrating 'British Exceptionality'.....makes you so proud to see Johnson fiddle while our homes burn.
The final elephant in the room is that undoubtedly Covid has had a massive impact but it's no coincidence that further job losses have coincided with Brexit becoming reality and that isn't a malaise that can be helped by a vaccine and isn't it funny that so many who hark back to the halcyon days of 2019 are the ones so vociferous in their need for change.
the_smog_chorus
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It's going to play out with 'The Great Reset' - boy if you want change and a move away from pre-Covid you're going to get it!
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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The only way is through the ballot box, and we know how that had ended up for half a century.
The only way change will happen is when conditions deteriorate so much for the working class (that includes the vast majority on here, regardless of trappings, extra property etc) that they choose to ignore what they're being told is good for them.
WindyNook
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If you look at my post on deaths per million you can see we are 5th in the world in both cases numbers and overall deaths. But we are effectively 2nd in the world for deaths per million of population.
What would those figures have been like with little or no lockdown?
The numbers would have been unimaginable. Think of the mental health and job situation in that scenario. I think it would have been much worse than now. I feel for everyone who is suffering at the moment an I hope that things will get better. But we are tied to the lockdown/ vaccine course now and the majority of people think it's the right way to go
What would those figures have been like with little or no lockdown?
The numbers would have been unimaginable. Think of the mental health and job situation in that scenario. I think it would have been much worse than now. I feel for everyone who is suffering at the moment an I hope that things will get better. But we are tied to the lockdown/ vaccine course now and the majority of people think it's the right way to go
Alvez_48
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And who do you suggest they vote for? Keir?
There was a chance, his name was Jeremy Corbyn.
SmallTown
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Huh?And who do you suggest they vote for? Keir?
There was a chance, his name was Jeremy Corbyn.
Alvez_48
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Please tell me what all the nations in the world's cycle threshold rates are for their tests.
Their procedures for counting a death as covid and the number of tests they do per capita.
Please confirm that they all test any fatality for covid.
I.e. that table is ridiculous. We have terrible excess death for the early part of last year for sure. This coincides with the Pandemic and then lack of access to care. The current excess data is nothing like last spring.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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And who do you suggest they vote for? Keir?
There was a chance, his name was Jeremy Corbyn.
Couldn't agree more, the government have spent way more this year than we could afford to spend in a decade under Corbyn.
And we've moved further backwards in the same time.
So we are 2nd, but a lot of the countries below us haven't locked down to the same extent. So what happens if we'd copied those countries, those countries that didn't lock down to the same extent but are below us in your deaths per million table.
Wouldn’t be so sure of that all the time 24-34 year olds are losing their jobs, they are the demographic that has been hit hardest economically, these are the people looking to buy houses and start families. You need first time buyers all the time the baby boomers are dying off or downsizing. There’s talk of 7% or even 10% unemployment, to put it into perspective house prices fell 5% during the financial crash and that was a blip compared to this. Experts reckon 2021 will have one of the lowest birth rates on record as people aren’t having kids because of financial concerns so who’s upsizing? I’ve already told my partner we need to delay starting a family as I’m in no position to, she’s 35 and I’ll be 40 this year, I’m under no elusions that I might never have more kids when I have one already to pay for and possibly no job. Foreign citizens are abandoning the country in droves to go home after being stuck here and immigration always falls during a recession and the U.K. is predicted to have one of the worst recessions of all economies. Anyone that buys a house now is mad. Part of me wants to see the economy crash and the U.K. go to hell in a hand basket, it’s nothing less the country deserves for its overreaction and I’ll be ok even if I have to earn my money unethically. Would personally love a 10% fall in prices, have the deposit but don’t know if I can pay even the tiny mortgage I need so not even contemplating buying atm.
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WindyNook
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| # | Country, Other | Total Cases | New Cases | Total Deaths | New Deaths | Total Recovered | Active Cases | Serious, Critical | Tot Cases/ 1M pop | Deaths/ 1M pop | Total Tests | Tests/ 1M pop | Population |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| World | 100,383,705 | +104,915 | 2,152,357 | +3,395 | 72,426,960 | 25,804,388 | 110,189 | 12,878 | 276.1 | ||||
| 1 | USA | 25,862,984 | +1,387 | 431,397 | +5 | 15,620,065 | 9,811,522 | 26,259 | 77,875 | 1,299 | 301,119,785 | 906,691 | 332,108,584 |
| 2 | India | 10,679,403 | +1,693 | 153,644 | +20 | 10,347,367 | 178,392 | 8,944 | 7,696 | 111 | 193,062,694 | 139,123 | 1,387,715,929 |
| 3 | Brazil | 8,872,964 | 217,712 | 7,709,602 | 945,650 | 8,318 | 41,575 | 1,020 | 28,600,000 | 134,008 | 213,419,676 | ||
| 4 | Russia | 3,756,931 | +18,241 | 70,482 | +564 | 3,174,561 | 511,888 | 2,300 | 25,738 | 483 | 100,000,000 | 685,071 | 145,970,231 |
| 5 | UK | 3,669,658 | 98,531 | 1,648,218 | 1,922,909 | 4,076 | 53,895 | 1,447 | 68,794,319 | 1,010,355 | 68,089,273 | ||
| 6 | France | 3,057,857 | 73,494 | 217,708 | 2,766,655 | 3,041 | 46,788 | 1,125 | 42,268,957 | 646,750 | 65,355,986 | ||
| 7 | Spain | 2,697,294 | 56,208 | N/A | N/A | 4,284 | 57,677 | 1,202 | 32,027,728 | 684,863 | 46,765,130 |
The table comes from Worldometer and the numbers for the UK are exactly the same as the official Government figures. Now you may say other countries may under report their own statistics and that is a possibility. But our numbers are dreadful and would only be worse if we had had no lockdown at all.
The government has a lot to answer for due to their poor and slow response. I really want the vaccine to succeed and get back to my normal life. I hope we can look past the euphoria of that time and hold people responsible for their decisions.
countries above us on deaths per million
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