JM14
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Look at those cases, why do you think they just suddenly dropped around the times that lockdown was in place?
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Look at those cases, why do you think they just suddenly dropped around the times that lockdown was in place?
JM14
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So why are the UK cases now reducing?
the_smog_chorus
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Muttley
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You don't seem to understand how scientists speak. Listen to what you are being told, it makes sense. Viruses are complex organisms there is no simple silver bullet. If you are waiting for a scientist to tell you that this vaccine will eradicate COVID you will have a long wait. The vaccine is about numbers it is about reducing the affects of the virus to manageable numbers the virus or mutations of it is going to be with us for the rest of our lives (and probably out children) but our response to it will improve we are seeing new treatments to improve the survival rate being trialled and the vaccines will reduce the spread.
We are winning this.
Don't be childish
ChrisTheRed
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Look at those cases, why do you think they just suddenly dropped around the times that lockdown was in place?
Yes, it's obvious that that will happen but it isn't the whole answer. We can't simply just lock down forever.
The jab is some way from being a significant answer to the situation and we all know that so do you think we should just keep lockdown going indefinitely? Is that what suits you?
ChrisTheRed
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Ofcourse there isn't a silver bullet. Everyone knows that.
But at the moment we are just setting fires all over the place and creating further far reaching problems and if you can't see that then I pity you.
There is more to life than Covid.
ChrisTheRed
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Also, there is no solid evidence that suggests we are winning anything at the minute.
JM14
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Essentially you dont know then?
JM14
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We are a few months away from the vulnerable groups all being vaccinated and likely less than a year away from most of the population. Personally I would say that justifies continuing restrictions a little longer. Its a different story if a vaccine was 10 years away but it isnt. If we were to open up again now it would make the last 10 months completely pointless
Muttley
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OK.
Like I said, you are not understanding how scientists use English, nor science itself. I'm guessing you don't believe in following experts?
ChrisTheRed
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Given the experts will openly tell you that they don't know what the long term issues will be in respect of the jab. Most of those aren't getting the second jab.
I'm clinically vulnerable and there is no sign of me getting a jab yet and I don't know many in my situation that are any different.
Muttley
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How do you expect them to? They haven't got a time machine. That is what I mean by you are not understanding how scientists speak they will not give you an assurance when they cannot. They will and do tell you that from experience with other vaccines what they think will happen. You cannot be give a long term assurance until a long term has passed.
ChrisTheRed
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Ok so how can you sit there and say we're on our way out... Clearly you do not understand the science either then.
It's all if, buts and maybes.
Muttley
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No, Chris I can say that because I understand what is being said and what is being achieved. Yes, there is a chance that the vaccines may not be effective against all the new mutations but even so the reduction in transmission rates alone would be enough to reduce the pressure on health care systems.
When you hear that Intensive Care beds are full and patients are being transferred considerable distances to get to available beds, how would YOU justify opening back up? You say you are in the vulnerable group, would you like to spend your last hours in a hospital corridor hoping that someone else dies quickly enough that you can have their bed to give you a chance at survival?
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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As a nation we've masked the employment figures since the end of the 70s, and we wonder why the cost of welfare is so high, together with the appallingly high demand on the NHS and social services.
Perhaps next time we're ticking that box on election day we should be taking note of the long term effects of the short term policies that the press are all too keen to celebrate.
The effects we're suffering were all predicted and by many voices.
Now we're crying about short term unemployment due to Covid19, that's temporary unemployment due to a crisis, not the long term large scale unemployment that so many have voted to happen.
I can imagine some of those crying the loudest are amongst that number.
Perhaps next time we're ticking that box on election day we should be taking note of the long term effects of the short term policies that the press are all too keen to celebrate.
The effects we're suffering were all predicted and by many voices.
Now we're crying about short term unemployment due to Covid19, that's temporary unemployment due to a crisis, not the long term large scale unemployment that so many have voted to happen.
I can imagine some of those crying the loudest are amongst that number.
ChrisTheRed
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You do realise there will still be transmissions don't you. It does not stop transmissions.
Tbf it wouldn't matter to me where I was. If I'm dying then I'm dying.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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The difference between now and the 1920s is that we have the internet. I really fear that we may be moving to an age of reduced human interaction. That technology has enabled a way of life that is not favourable to the human condition, and we are going to stumble into it. Just as the industrial revolution made life worse for so many people.
And given the unequal impact the pandemic has had on people's livelyhoods, this could add to the existing inequalities in society. Given the demographics of this board, I don't think most people are aware of this. House prices are holding steady. So are shares. Yet in reality this is because one person can afford 2 houses, while another can't afford a roof over their head.
the_smog_chorus
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I don't but then nor do you as correlation does not imply causation.
Randy
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If you saw Whitty's chart from last week you would have seen they were on a downward direction before the lockdown.
Look at those cases, why do you think they just suddenly dropped around the times that lockdown was in place?
But who knows? Non sentient virus doing random things in random places around the world.
Alvez_48
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Some interesting data, in the states a study showed that every single % point that unemployment goes up it costs 38,000 lives.
In the UK you are classed as employed if you have done 1 hours work in 2 weeks.
You are not classed as unemployed if you aren't actively looking for work via the job centre.
I've argued from the first day this is death Vs death not death Vs a falling economy.
The middle class bourgeois got my little detached box in toy town that are currently working from home and accept that economic devastation is part of this don't understand that it's coming for all of us.
We're at a crossroads where large percentages of the human population will be reliant on the state to live (this was on the cards before covid and has been accelerated a lot) this is not conducive to democracy. If you're not concerned and think it will all go back to good ole 2019, I'd suggest have a rethink.
In the UK you are classed as employed if you have done 1 hours work in 2 weeks.
You are not classed as unemployed if you aren't actively looking for work via the job centre.
I've argued from the first day this is death Vs death not death Vs a falling economy.
The middle class bourgeois got my little detached box in toy town that are currently working from home and accept that economic devastation is part of this don't understand that it's coming for all of us.
We're at a crossroads where large percentages of the human population will be reliant on the state to live (this was on the cards before covid and has been accelerated a lot) this is not conducive to democracy. If you're not concerned and think it will all go back to good ole 2019, I'd suggest have a rethink.