Jobless rate hits 5%...

ChrisTheRed

ChrisTheRed

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How high will it go before people realise that we have to re-open?

I'm sure a lot of these 200k+ people will be wondering how they will keep their roofs over their head and food on the table.

How many of those 200k+ people are feeling suicidal or already living in poverty?

The economy on a one way street to destruction - another year of this and where do you think we'll be?

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The thing is, that figure doesn’t even include the people who are economically inactive i.e not claiming benefits or looking for work like youngsters who’ve lost their jobs and are still living with their folks. My employer has just issued another HR1 notice for the third time, I had a look yesterday and there are literally no jobs to apply for, the few jobs out there want specialist experience. Kind of accepted I’ll be out of work for at least a year or more if I do lose my job, it’s my ex that will get the hump when the child support gets reduced.
 
High unemployment or people dying in hospital corridors and ambulances. You choose (y)

@ChrisTheRed - we shouldn't have another year of this, the vaccine is the way out allegedly. Another couple of months and we'll start to see some normality if we all adhere to lockdown and don't let these new variants take hold.

Heads down lads. We are nearly there.
 
MolteniArcore said:
High unemployment or people dying in hospital corridors and ambulances. You choose (y)
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High unemployment leads to death, that’s the bit that people don’t want to acknowledge. I personally know as many people that have killed themselves (2) the last 12 months than have died of covid (2) but we would rather just ignore that or do nothing about it. My colleague was in his 30s with a young family, he hung himself when he was made redundant in the summer.
 
UKLL1981 said:
High unemployment leads to death, that’s the bit that people don’t want to acknowledge. I personally know as many people that have killed themselves the last 12 months than have died of covid but we would rather just ignore that or do nothing about it.
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Not as much death as Covid. And I think everyone acknowledges that, but you can't knowingly let the NHS become overrun which increases deaths on all measures because some people will sadly commit suicide. It's the very sad and harsh reality.

If the day was reached when a 45 year old was turned away from South Tees hospital for treatment on a work related injury and subsequently died because the wards were full of Covid patients there would be hell on. That's why we are locked down. Two more months and we should be seeing the back of this.
 
UKLL1981 said:
High unemployment leads to death, that’s the bit that people don’t want to acknowledge. I personally know as many people that have killed themselves (2) the last 12 months than have died of covid (2) but we would rather just ignore that or do nothing about it. My colleague was in his 30s with a young family, he hung himself when he was made redundant in the summer.
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That's incredibly sad for that family and yourself, sorry to hear that UKLL.
 
UKLL1981 said:
High unemployment leads to death, that’s the bit that people don’t want to acknowledge. I personally know as many people that have killed themselves (2) the last 12 months than have died of covid (2) but we would rather just ignore that or do nothing about it. My colleague was in his 30s with a young family, he hung himself when he was made redundant in the summer.
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Exactly this... What he really meant was death or desth. It isn't quite as simple as he makes out. The difference is likely to be the age of those involved.
 
SuperStu said:
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Look beneath the headline.

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Latest GB Voting Intention (18 January 2021) - Redfield & Wilton Strategies

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Conservative Party leading the Labour Party by 2%.
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On this one for example there are 16% or respondents who don't know who they will vote for. Then the Conservative lead is only 2% it is a massive bunch of people that could easily swing it either way.

And when unemployment goes up, the recession hits, house prices drop, people wise up to Brexit etc etc they won't be queuing up to vote for Johnson.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Look beneath the headline.

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Latest GB Voting Intention (18 January 2021) - Redfield & Wilton Strategies

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Conservative Party leading the Labour Party by 2%.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

On this one for example there are 16% or respondents who don't know who they will vote for. Then the Conservative lead is only 2% it is a massive bunch of people that could easily swing it either way.

And when unemployment goes up, the recession hits, house prices drop, people wise up to Brexit etc etc they won't be queuing up to vote for Johnson.
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House prices aren't dropping anytime soon.

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MolteniArcore said:
Look beneath the headline.

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Latest GB Voting Intention (18 January 2021) - Redfield & Wilton Strategies

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Conservative Party leading the Labour Party by 2%.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

On this one for example there are 16% or respondents who don't know who they will vote for. Then the Conservative lead is only 2% it is a massive bunch of people that could easily swing it either way.

And when unemployment goes up, the recession hits, house prices drop, people wise up to Brexit etc etc they won't be queuing up to vote for Johnson.
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It's still scary that it's that high. It's like Trump. Shear petrifying the people who put so much faith in someone who is lying to them and killing them through incompetence
 
It's 'easy' to say that it's loss of employment is better than the NHS going under and more people die of covid.

I can only assume people saying this have a job or are financially secure? I can't begin to understand how hard it would be to have no job and have a family to look after. A lot of these families only had one adult working and if they are out of work it must be frighting with little or no way out.

Also adding to the stress is the fact kids are off school. So you could have two out of work adults with 2-3 kids trying to workout how to pay a feed them and pay mortgage or rent. I read the other day a family had already spent 8k living on credit cards.

I'm really not convinced as to why everyone thinks things will get 'better' in 2 months. It's not like the travel industry / leisure / pubs / retail are going to suddenly burst back into life and start employing again. This could go on years after the vaccine rolls out. Also how many companies simply won't come back?.

I'm not saying 'open everything up'. I know it's a no win situation either way.

I just think you have to be financially secure or have a job to say 'we must remain locked down indefinitely'.

I have a job at the moment. The company says it could stay afloat for maybe another 4-6 months as it stands. So I'm by no means 'secure'. I'm not spending as i normally would and sticking a few quid away every month just in case.
 
It's curious how brexiteers like @ChrisTheRed want to risk public health and many deaths to help the economy. Yet vehemently defend a referendum that is also damaging the economy. Its an interesting hypocrisy. Still I think we all knew that people would try to hide the disaster that is Brexit by blaming covid.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
It's 'easy' to say that it's loss of employment is better than the NHS going under and more people die of covid.

I can only assume people saying this have a job or are financially secure? I can't begin to understand how hard it would be to have no job and have a family to look after. A lot of these families only had one adult working and if they are out of work it must be frighting with little or no way out.

Also adding to the stress is the fact kids are off school. So you could have two out of work adults with 2-3 kids trying to workout how to pay a feed them and pay mortgage or rent. I read the other day a family had already spent 8k living on credit cards.

I'm really not convinced as to why everyone thinks things will get 'better' in 2 months. It's not like the travel industry / leisure / pubs / retail are going to suddenly burst back into life and start employing again. This could go on years after the vaccine rolls out. Also how many companies simply won't come back?.

I'm not saying 'open everything up'. I know it's a no win situation either way.

I just think you have to be financially secure or have a job to say 'we must remain locked down indefinitely'.

I have a job at the moment. The company says it could stay afloat for maybe another 4-6 months as it stands. So I'm by no means 'secure'. I'm not spending as i normally would and sticking a few quid away every month just in case.
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Sadly you hit the nail on the head... They'll be financially secure. Their only concern will be covid and outside of that it's all OK. But anyone that sees it the other way is ignorant and taking too many risks.
 
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S7DiscoDown said:
It's 'easy' to say that it's loss of employment is better than the NHS going under and more people die of covid.

I can only assume people saying this have a job or are financially secure? I can't begin to understand how hard it would be to have no job and have a family to look after. A lot of these families only had one adult working and if they are out of work it must be frighting with little or no way out.

Also adding to the stress is the fact kids are off school. So you could have two out of work adults with 2-3 kids trying to workout how to pay a feed them and pay mortgage or rent. I read the other day a family had already spent 8k living on credit cards.

I'm really not convinced as to why everyone thinks things will get 'better' in 2 months. It's not like the travel industry / leisure / pubs / retail are going to suddenly burst back into life and start employing again. This could go on years after the vaccine rolls out. Also how many companies simply won't come back?.

I'm not saying 'open everything up'. I know it's a no win situation either way.

I just think you have to be financially secure or have a job to say 'we must remain locked down indefinitely'.

I have a job at the moment. The company says it could stay afloat for maybe another 4-6 months as it stands. So I'm by no means 'secure'. I'm not spending as i normally would and sticking a few quid away every month just in case.
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On the other hand I dont imagine loosing a family member to Covid is exactly easy either
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Im really not convinced as to why everyone thinks things will get 'better' in 2 months. It's not like the travel industry / leisure / pubs / retail are going to suddenly burst back into life and start employing again. This could go on years after the vaccine rolls out. Also how many companies simply won't come back?.
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I think there's a good chance of the economy roaring back once the Covid threat is diminished, whilst ever there is a demand for hospitality and holidays then businesses will spring up to provide it. Sadly maybe not the same ones as before but there will be plenty of jobs available in the new businesses.

High Street retails demise has been hastened by the pandemic and I can't see that returning to what it was before March 2020, it's vital that we find a way of taxing Amazon and others appropriately to try and make up for the shortfall in tax receipts.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I think there's a good chance of the economy roaring back once the Covid threat is diminished, whilst ever there is a demand for hospitality and holidays then businesses will spring up to provide it. Sadly maybe not the same ones as before but there will be plenty of jobs available in the new businesses.

High Street retails demise has been hastened by the pandemic and I can't see that returning to what it was before March 2020, it's vital that we find a way of taxing Amazon and others appropriately to try and make up for the shortfall in tax receipts.
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If it ever is diminished. My big fear is that the 'fear of covid/germs' is now baked into society irreparably such that some cohorts will never want society to fully move on.
 
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