JEREMY CORBYN SUSPENDED FROM LABOUR

SuperStu said:
? You make it sound like I've said something terribly hurtful there?

The facts are what they are. The Labour party's finances were in the sh*tter before Corbyn was voted in. Starmer's spent his 6 months as leader telling the membership and the unions to p*ss off. That's the party's funding. Elections are expensive. 2024 is already lost so you're talking about dwindling funds for 9 years that somehow leads to a victory a decade from now.

I say again, it's delusional to think that somehow, a pauper centrist Labour party in 2029 manages to scratch together enough English and Welsh seats to form a government, and everyone turns around and says wow thank goodness Corbyn got the boot in October 2020 that really set us up.
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Unless Starmer raises enough funds from wealthy donors and zionists they can wave goodby to the next election. If he does, then they are no longer the party that I recognise.
 
SuperStu said:
? You make it sound like I've said something terribly hurtful there?

The facts are what they are. The Labour party's finances were in the sh*tter before Corbyn was voted in. Starmer's spent his 6 months as leader telling the membership and the unions to p*ss off. That's the party's funding. Elections are expensive. 2024 is already lost so you're talking about dwindling funds for 9 years that somehow leads to a victory a decade from now.

I say again, it's delusional to think that somehow, a pauper centrist Labour party in 2029 manages to scratch together enough English and Welsh seats to form a government, and everyone turns around and says wow thank goodness Corbyn got the boot in October 2020 that really set us up.
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For the record, I don't believe Labour will win enough seats to take power in 2024
There is a slim chance howver, there always is.
That will only be helped if Corbyn is distanced.
 
As a Starmer supporter, and somebody who voted for him, I’m extremely worried about this development. Starmer held himself up as being on the soft left of the party during the election campaign, but his actions since then have been to: dismiss virtually every Corbynite from the shadow cabinet; sack RLB for liking a tweet; and now suspend Corbyn himself for the wording of a statement (no-one is arguing that the statement itself was in any way anti-Semitic).

Starmer does appear to be trying to bin the entire left wing of the party. He may feel this is politically expedient, but it goes against everything he said in the campaign about his genuine Labour values.
 
If the report so exonerated JC from blame, then why did he not simply accept its findings and move on?

By making his Facebook statement he has left Keir Starmer no choice, he either does nothing and is seen to be condoning JC's views on the report or suspends him.

I've supported JC but he lacks the ability to think outside his own box which ultimately left him exposed as a leader.
 
1finny said:
For the record, I don't believe Labour will win enough seats to take power in 2024
There is a slim chance howver, there always is.
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Fair enough. (y)

1finny said:
That will only be helped if Corbyn is distanced.
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Fair enough Corbyn was divisive. Some people obviously hated him with a passion. Surely nobody would deny he also attracted support to the party though? 2017 was the biggest increase in the Labour vote since 1945. So I suppose the question is how do the centrists propose to win over the voters Corbyn could win for the party? Who's the big charismatic pull in the shadow cabinet that's going to convince everyone? Dodds and Lammy?
 
Billy Horner said:
As a Starmer supporter, and somebody who voted for him, I’m extremely worried about this development. Starmer held himself up as being on the soft left of the party during the election campaign, but his actions since then have been to: dismiss virtually every Corbynite from the shadow cabinet; sack RLB for liking a tweet; and now suspend Corbyn himself for the wording of a statement (no-one is arguing that the statement itself was in any way anti-Semitic).

Starmer does appear to be trying to bin the entire left wing of the party. He may feel this is politically expedient, but it goes against everything he said in the campaign about his genuine Labour values.
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RLB and Corbyn both put themselves on a collision course. Little wonder there have been two crashes.
Bigger picture - if it turns into a purge that won't do us any good. Equally if others try and fight it won't be good.
 
FartingGnome said:
Wonder if the Tories will suspend Johnson for his history of published racist jibes. You know the one, Picaninnies, Water Melon Smiles, that sort of stuff.

Not holding my breath.
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He was voted in as leader and elected prime minister with these comments well known, so I doubt it.

But But Johnson seems to jump out here though. It's a thread about Jeremy Corbyn (Your not allowed to mention him in any Johnson/Tory threads remember or its But But Corbyn)
 
Make no mistake, his suspension is politically motivated; it scapegoats him for the criticism for the report's findings and it removes him from the Labour party. Two birds with one stone so to speak.

Corbyn has been systematically dismantled by the rightwing press and Starmer et al obviously see him as a weight around the parties neck - its politicians playing politics, no one should be surprised.
 
Starmer was mauled by soft questioning on his responsibility. This seems to be his response.
 
Cooper671 said:
Well yes, the leader of any organisation ultimately carries the can. A series of failings in leadership surely the back stops with the leader/manager/CEO etc

It seems to with anything else
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So Boris Johnson will leap into action over this anti-Semitic trope tweeted by one of his own just last week?
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SuperStu said:
So I suppose the question is how do the centrists propose to win over the voters Corbyn could win for the party? Who's the big charismatic pull in the shadow cabinet that's going to convince everyone? Dodds and Lammy?
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At the moment to me, it looks a lot like when Southgate let Boateng, Cattermole and Rochemback all leave and replaced them with Digard and Matty Bates! How did that one work out?
 
1finny said:
RLB and Corbyn both put themselves on a collision course. Little wonder there have been two crashes.
Bigger picture - if it turns into a purge that won't do us any good. Equally if others try and fight it won't be good.
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But that’s the point. He’s making it look like a purge. I’ve no doubt that this latest action (which is basically the nuclear option) will lead to a large number young campaigners leaving the party.

Labour needs to be a radical party offering real change. It also needs to look like a competent government in waiting, who wouldn’t destroy the economy (or what’s left of it) within its first Parliament. If you remove one half of that equation, you basically end up with the Liberal Democrats.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
So Boris Johnson will leap into action over this anti-Semitic trope tweeted by one of his own just last week?
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Who knows, but again this thread is about Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party being found to have broken the law by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) .

I'd be accused of deflection if I tried to change tact like above
 
Billy Horner said:
But that’s the point. He’s making it look like a purge. I’ve no doubt that this latest action (which is basically the nuclear option) will lead to a large number young campaigners leaving the party.

Labour needs to be a radical party offering real change. It also needs to look like a competent government in waiting, who wouldn’t destroy the economy (or what’s left of it) within its first Parliament. If you remove one half of that equation, you basically end up with the Liberal Democrats.
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This saga needs an end, JC could have aided it by accepting the findings and moving on, unfortunately he did not and only served to place the party into a corner.
 
Otto42 said:
About forty years too late. Corbyn and his ilk have resulted in the two worst governments in my lifetime, Thatcher and Johnson, one started to destroy the fabric of our society through ideology and one who will finish the job through incompetence and corruption.
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It's when I read BS like this I shudder for the future of my children. How can you blame an opposition party for the acts of the incumbent Thatcher and Cameron / May / Johnson governments? The Tory party has always stood for the very few and taken time and again from human rights, public services and a safety net for the vulnerable. That always was, and remains the case and isn't a secret to anyone. Therefore the people to blame for the despicable Tory governments are the idiots who voted for them.

Regardless of anyone's thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn, very few would pretend (and actually believe it) that things would be even worse under his Government. Whilst the Tory apologists whose only input is to blame the people who aren't responsible continue to say 'but Corbyn, but Abbott' you are part of the problem and not the solution.
 
1finny said:
RLB and Corbyn both put themselves on a collision course. Little wonder there have been two crashes.
Bigger picture - if it turns into a purge that won't do us any good. Equally if others try and fight it won't be good.
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RLB did absolutely nothing wrong. She tweeted her friends article which was not anti-Semitic, that was it.
 
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