James McClean Abuse

BoroPhil said:
Regardless of whether I agree with him, I actually think he deserves a massive amount of respect for taking a principled stance (which is totally understandable based on his background) which he knows will be unpopular and has probably affected his career.
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Once worked with a guy who was from near to where he is from in Ireland, and he told me he does a lot and donates a lot to charity, of which he doesn’t get any publicity.
 
JM14 said:
He probably chooses to stay because he is getting paid millions. Not sure it’s justifiable that grown adults would get so upset by what football shirt he chose to wear
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I'm sure that's the main factor but again, surely if it affected him that much he would have moved years ago.

He went and complained to the FA about alleged abuse he'd received when Wigan played Sunderland. I wonder whether he ever reflects and realises that posting a photograph of himself wearing a Germany top and then a balaclava probably wasn't the wisest of moves.
 
TeaCider said:
Not wanting to wear a poppy
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I've never mentioned the poppy. Again, not sure why that is being brought up in response to anything I've said.

TeaCider said:
Not facing the English flag during a national anthem is a bit rude
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You mean purposely turning away from the English flag?
Have you ever seen a sportsman anywere in the world who would do such a thing?

TeaCider said:
Pro-IRA comments are out of order
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You don't say?
Pro-IRA comments are despicable and have no place in society whether you're Irish or otherwise.
If he made pro-Al Qaeda comments would you just say they're 'out of order'?
And his actions are not spontaneous, he even went to the trouble of getting pro-IRA tattoos on his legs which he manages to show off regularly.

Regarding the Queen's death, I know there was a long running debate on here with some folk getting banned for standing their ground defending the monarchy and others steadfastly declaring their republicanism. Fair enough, that's how it is. In Wigan's next game the opposition all stood together around the centre circle linking arms. Ten of the Wigan team did exactly the same, apart from him who stood 2 feet away separated from his team-mates. So you've got 21 players of all cultures, faiths and nationalities respecting the death of the Queen. Then you've got James McClean.

So, he's thick. He's a hypocrite. He's a terrorist sympathiser. He's an attention seeker.

And he used to play for Sunderland.
 
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JM14 said:
Genuinely can’t believe the extent that some get wound up over him

Would you wear a symbol supporting the Argentinian or German army if they had killed members of your family?
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Again, why do you think I'm wound up? It's you who seems quite agitated.

You're going on about the poppy again. Has it not sunk in yet that I haven't mentioned it or even alluded to it?

Which members of his family were killed by the British Army?
 
TeaCider said:
Northern Ireland isn't abroad, it's an integral part of the UK.

The Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey and the overseas territories are British, but they're not part of the UK, so I think it's less of a stretch to say you're abroad, as it's not the same country.
But they're also not really foreign.
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But doesn’t abroad just literally mean over the sea? So even the Isle of Wight is technically.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm not taking the pi$$, I'm responding to your ridiculous post. This country (UK) is where he was born, brought up and has spent his working life.
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You're saying my posts are ridiculous presumably because I'm suggesting that he's earning his living 'overseas' in a country he detests.
You're reasoning for this is that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. Fair enough.
So why does he refer to his home as Ireland?
Why does he display the Irish Tricolour instead of the Union Flag (the flag of Northern Ireland)?
Having been born in Northern Ireland (part of the United Kingdom) why is he representing the Republic of Ireland?
 
BoroFur said:
I've never mentioned the poppy. Again, not sure why that is being brought up in response to anything I've said.


You mean purposely turning away from the English flag?
Have you ever seen a sportsman anywere in the world who would do such a thing?


You don't say?
Pro-IRA comments are despicable and have no place in society whether you're Irish or otherwise.
If he made pro-Al Qaeda comments would you just say they're 'out of order'?
And his actions are not spontaneous, he even went to the trouble of getting pro-IRA tattoos on his legs which he manages to show off regularly.

Regarding the Queen's death, I know there was a long running debate on here with some folk getting banned for standing their ground defending the monarchy and others steadfastly declaring their republicanism. Fair enough, that's how it is. In Wigan's next game the opposition all stood together around the centre circle linking arms. Ten of the Wigan team did exactly the same, apart from him who stood 2 feet away separated from his team-mates. So you've got 21 players of all cultures, faiths and nationalities respecting the death of the Queen. Then you've got James McClean.

So, he's thick. He's a hypocrite. He's a terrorist sympathiser. He's an attention seeker.

And he used to play for Sunderland.
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So where's your evidence that he's anti-England?

You've produced none there.

A Northern Irish republican not standing at attention for the flag of England whilst God Save the Queen is being played is a natural reaction.

He didn't boo it, he faced in a different direction with his head bowed.
Likewise with the remembrance for the Queen, he stood with his head bowed, despite the British crown having a very controversial reputation where he grew up.
 
TeaCider said:
Abroad means going to a foreign country, or beyond the bounds of your own country.

At least by the standard definitions.
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Ah ok fair enough. Not the IOW then. So if you’re in Spain is going to Portugal “abroad”? Doesn’t sound right but by the definition above it def would be.
 
TeaCider said:
Abroad means going to a foreign country, or beyond the bounds of your own country.

At least by the standard definitions.
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With McLean his beliefs play a part when you consider where he is “from”, he sees himself as Irish not northern Irish which is abroad he chose to represent the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland.
 
Priv said:
With McLean his beliefs play a part when you consider where he is “from”, he sees himself as Irish not northern Irish which is abroad he chose to represent the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland.
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Not questioning his identity, he's entitled to it, I was just giving a definition of abroad.

He was born and has lived his entire life in the UK, even if it's his wish that Northern Ireland left the union.
He's also an Irish citizen through virtue of the Good Friday Agreement, and I would guess given his views and upbringing, that he's never claimed a British passport despite being entitled to one.
Which is fair enough.
 
TeaCider said:
So where's your evidence that he's anti-England?

You've produced none there.
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I never intended to. Your position is as entrenched as mine so you wouldn't listen anyway.

TeaCider said:
A Northern Irish republican not standing at attention for the flag of England whilst God Save the Queen is being played is a natural reaction.
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I would disagree. Name any other Northern Irish person representing an English sports team who has been so disrespectful.

TeaCider said:
He didn't boo it, he faced in a different direction with his head bowed.
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Who said anything about booing? In order to be facing in a different direction means you've made a conscious decision to turn away. And the bowing of the head was purely for him, not out of respect for a nation. None of his team-mates had their heads bowed but none of them turned away either which is the point I'm making.

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TeaCider said:
Likewise with the remembrance for the Queen, he stood with his head bowed, despite the British crown having a very controversial reputation where he grew up.
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I'm sure they've got a controversial reputation in many places but that doesn't mean you should draw attention to yourself by obviously standing aside from your team-mates.
 
Final one from me.
@TeaCider @JM14 @Corcaigh_the_Cat

I did not wake up this morning thinking about or wanting to talk about James McClean.
Had a great day yesterday and was delighted with our win.
I heard some catcalls directed towards him but nothing to do with his nationality.
I'm not saying he didn't receive sectarian abuse, I just didn't hear it.
And I agree, sectarianism is abhorrent.
 
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