It’s looking like a potential landslide victory for Joe Biden

Thanks Bear, now we're getting somewhere.

So now it would be useful to know.... (i) the number of interactions each of these has with the police and (ii) the percentage of violent crimes committed by each

As an example. if whites commit 90% of violent crime but only make up 50% of all deaths at the hands of police then I could start to say there was a problem.
 

BoroMart

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Except this set of statistics is hardly open to much interpretation. This was a simple question of how many black people were killed by police in the US this year. @JL2020 claimed, with no proof whatsoever, that it was only 8. The site linked to above gives a fully-sourced figure of 111 killed by shooting alone.
I guess that tells you a lot about people 'learning' their 'facts' from internet memes and twitter feeds
 
I heard Morgan Freeman talking recently, he was saying that he disagrees with the BLM movement and disagrees that blacks are oppressed. Basically he thinks that if you work hard like he did then you can achieve anything.

I have a problem with that attitude and find it hard to agree with the 'American dream' they seem to talk so much about over there.

If you are born into the projects with no father figure, a mother who is addicted to drugs and no education what chance have you got really? There's probably 1 in a thousand who go on to play in the NFL/ NBA. Not every kid can become a Hollywood actor or politician. This idea that people are struggling in life because they don't work hard enough is moronic and something I don't like about the 'American dream'.

To be a great country surely you should be looking after the most vulnerable in society which they don't do in America, look at the levels of homelessness in some of the big cities its a disgrace. We aren't much better though in Britain.
Just out
JL, if all the violence its purely down to the protestors, why is it that as soon as the federal troops were withdrawn, calm returned to the streets of Portland?

Portland protests continue Friday but clashes are absent

Calm returns to Portland as federal troops withdraw
Look mate I’ve said what I’ve had to say and posted multiple videos of protestor violence where there isn’t a cop in sight. There were clashes in Portland between the protestors on Friday night I think, one of the protestors ended up stabbed.
 

BoroMart

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total arrests is dubious statistic to use. There is no indication if that person was charged and found guilty.

Institutional racism actually increases the number of black people arrested....that's kind of the point that is being made. But you can't infer that black people are involved in violent crime more often (per capita) than white, based on arrest figures.
 
Just out


Look mate I’ve said what I’ve had to say and posted multiple videos of protestor violence where there isn’t a cop in sight. There were clashes in Portland between the protestors on Friday night I think, one of the protestors ended up stabbed.
You're making the same conclusion that many have made with regard to football fans.

Countless videos out there so you're a hooligan.
 

BoroMart

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You're making the same conclusion that many have made with regard to football fans.

Countless videos out there so you're a hooligan.
agreed, he has a prejudice, seemingly of 'looney lefties', which is of course just an alliteration that is meant to undermine the concept of empathy. The BLM movement is of course a left supported movement, and in fact it is fair to see a right opposed movement. There has been 400 years of peaceful efforts to stop racism in the US, it hasn't worked. But still 99% of the protesters are peaceful. The reality is that our friend here, doesn't have empathy for the victims of racism, and doesn't feel think they should have motivation to revolt.
 
You're making the same conclusion that many have made with regard to football fans.

Countless videos out there so you're a hooligan.
There was one week where virtually every big city in America had violent protests with looting and destruction, I’ve provided enough evidence and it’s only the tip of the ice berg. We’re going round in circles now, I’ve explained my opinion of things and I’m leaving it at that.
 

ticker_tape

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In my lifetime there have been white only, Cinema,Theatre, sporting venues segregation, army platoons, bus seating etc etc. White generations who knew this way of life are still around. This country has much the same problems, as shown on this board from time to time, and some are shy about it.
 

BoroMart

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There was one week where virtually every big city in America had violent protests with looting and destruction, I’ve provided enough evidence and it’s only the tip of the ice berg. We’re going round in circles now, I’ve explained my opinion of things and I’m leaving it at that.
We are, as I pointed out earlier you have made your beliefs known, they're somewhere between ridiculous, bat ****, repugnant and ignorant, but that's for you to own not me.

Summary of your comments/thoughts:
  • BLM is possibly the most racist movement I’ve seen in my lifetime
  • George Floyd died from cardiac arrest through drug taking
  • the example of George Floyd being killed is not a good example of police brutality
  • George Floyd and Chauvin worked together in a counterfeit money business
  • the gender and sex of a protestor are an important factor in their protest
  • the aim of BLM is to get rid of all the police
  • BLM are framing that only black people are killed by police
  • Mark Zuckerberg, the Koch brothers, Donald Newhouse, Charles Ergen and Rupert Murdoch are democrats
  • If Trump loses to Biden it would be a disaster not just for the US but for the rest of the world
  • China are behind all the protest against Trump, not people who are angry at his behaviour
  • You don’t believe that Trumps ‘Mail Voter fraud’ claims are a conspiracy theory, in spite of there being absolutely no evidence of anything but negligible levels of fraud
  • George Soros paid for George Floyds casket to go on a tour of america
  • ‘chinese embassy’ - random
  • the left are looney and the ‘left’ is everyone not aligned to your thoughts
  • The only tragic case of police brutality and racism is Breonna Taylor, all others are justified
  • inner city black kids are a lost cause and destroy school facilities and equipment
  • Systemic racism doesn’t exist in america
  • The BLM organisation comes out with outrageous things to make people get mad
  • BLM totally destroyed blocks of Seattle
  • A firework is an IED
  • shooting someone in the back is justified if they broke the law, any law
  • BLM is funded by George Soros, and they funnel his donations in to the Dem party
  • George Soros’s wiki page was updated, proving he is dodgy
  • You don’t respect that oppression leads to reaction, and extreme oppression leads to extreme violence
  • You would like to see proof that racists and cops have killed thousands of people over 400 years in the US
  • You believe only 8 black people have been killed by police this year (now clarified and still wrong)
  • George Floyd was a career criminal, so presumably deserved to be killed by police
 

BoroMart

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BLM is the most racist movement - Yes it is
Did BLM write that vandalism, no. The BLM movement cannot be responsible for every action of every person that follows their cause. Now if you have evidence of the organisers and owners of BLM saying somethings racist, show me. Otherwise your post is just nonsense.

George Floyd died through cardiac arrest through drug taking - SECONDLY it isn’t ME saying he died of cardiac arrest it’s his autopsy report.
Totally rejected by both my eyes, and the second independent autopsy. If he died from a cardiac arrest that wasn't caused by the police then why did they get arrested? We both know the answer to this, but only I will dare articulate, they were racist filth and they killed him, in cold blood. Continuing to apply pressure to him even after he was unconcious. Don't you dare try and excuse these people

you can also see the toxicology reports showing the fentanyl in his system.
Fentanyl is over the counter and as common as co-codamol is here, it's irrelevant

George Floyd and chauvin worked together in a counterfeit money business - Ok so did I say that or did I say “They both worked at the same club for almost 20 years that was possibly involved in counterfeit money”? Please do NOT twist my words to try and benefit my own arguments, I haven’t done it to you.
So if that wasn't your intended meaning, why even bring it up? Even though it's a conspiracy theory. It's clear what you were alluding

The gender and sex are relevant to a protestor - seriously where the **** do I even mention this?
Look back, you posted a link and introduced it with "here’s a trans protestor getting arrested for defacing property, claiming assault and brutality.". What has her sex or gender got to do with anything, it's irrelevant to the protest? The allusion is that being transgender is some kind of problem to you.

The aim of BLM is to get rid of all police - “ One of the things that we are demanding over five years is the complete abolition. We don’t want to see any police in our community,”
https://www.blackenterprise.com/bla...iminate-police/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
"A Black Lives Matter Philadelphia representative ", but not a member of BLM leadership then, because they don't advocate no police, they don't advocate police having tanks, and instead of buying tanks put the money into social systems. I'm sure you could read that if you wanted ti.

Why have Minneapolis council members voted to abolish their police force?
Abolishing police
Because it's not fit for purpose and they want to dismantle and recreate a new police force, it's broken. They are not saying zero police though.

BLM are framing it that only blacks are killed by police - They are, obviously THERES no ‘proof’ of this as in the end it comes from opinion. But the fact that they constantly talk about cops being ‘white supremacists morning and racist to me implies they don’t even consider cops kill whites.
No, it highlights an individual issue, that is real. I'm sure they want all police to behave with everyone, but their area of focus is on the racism they are and have received their entire lives.

I’m not arguing any longer with your ridiculous nit picking verging on troll like arguments. You cant be reasoned with, you’re still complaining that I had the nerve to ask you to back up ONE claim you made which you still haven’t done. Hopefully the manage to get one state to have their social and community workers instead of police and you can go and live there with them in your utopia. F***ing ridiculous.
Ah I can't do this anymore, racists gonna be racist, even ones that don't think they are. You asked me to back up the claim that the KKK and police have killed thousands of people over 400 years.....if you don't believe that, then that's fine, you've outed yourself
 

BoroMart

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Full on racist this JL thing. One that Farage created. Reminds me of Boro1970 or that Gene Vincent who also posted on the old board.
doesn't even recognise that they are either, that's the astounding part. I'm blocking people that don't believe that racism exists in america, despite never having lived there and there being reams of evidence. It's pointless discussing with them
 
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