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I’ve mentioned it before, the protestors have been setting up road blocks and not letting cars pass. This family tried to get past and the protestors opened fire killing the girl.
The protestors didn't, one protestor did. You cannot blame the whole BLM movement for the behaviour of one individual, particularly since the BLM movement hasn't said a single word to stoke violence. Prove me wrong, I'm happy to see words from the BLM movement that are stoking violence....
 
you are actually kidding me? Are you saying that you deny the existence of police violence against black people, and you deny the reality of deaths in many cases?
I’m not denying it, I just want proof. Every claim I’ve made you’ve asked for proof and I’ve done my best to provide it. You don’t get away with just making statements based on your opinion without having to back it up with facts.
Last time I checked cops had killed 8 black people so far in 2020.
 
I’ve got nothing against that message, just after 2 months of watching their protest I don’t like the BLM movement. As I said I’m my first posts. Watch the officer Tatum speech, that’s who I agree with.
It's not THEIR protest, it is an organic gathering of people from lots of parts of society that want change. They are not protesting as official members of BLM , this is where you are putting your hate at the wrong people. Your problem is with the behaviour of a small % of protestors. Now, that leads to 2 questions a) why are you blaming the BLM movement for action of individual protestors in protests they didn't organise? and b) why are the small number of violent protestors behaving in such a way? You never did answer the other question about why you have an issue with Soros?
 
It's not THEIR protest, it is an organic gathering of people from lots of parts of society that want change. They are not protesting as official members of BLM , this is where you are putting your hate at the wrong people. Your problem is with the behaviour of a small % of protestors. Now, that leads to 2 questions a) why are you blaming the BLM movement for action of individual protestors in protests they didn't organise? and b) why are the small number of violent protestors behaving in such a way? You never did answer the other question about why you have an issue with Soros?
And you never did give me proof that the cops and the kkk have been killing thousands of black people...
 
I’m not denying it, I just want proof. Every claim I’ve made you’ve asked for proof and I’ve done my best to provide it. You don’t get away with just making statements based on your opinion without having to back it up with facts.
Last time I checked cops had killed 8 black people so far in 2020.
There has been years of evidence of racism, if you aren't denying it but you want proof, then what exactly are you trying to achieve by asking for it? That's just an obfuscation of debate.

I've asked for evidence because you are claiming conspiracy stuff or over playing the reality of the protests, which is that they have been predominantly peaceful (no one is denying there have been individual issues, and in the first two weeks, when Chauvin et al were not under arrest, there was a violent reaction, understandably).

I've asked you to
- prove your claim that Sorosis funding BLM: you haven't been able to do so, you claim he gave 2% of their income 4 years ago, but haven't backed up that claim.
- You have made claims that Chauvin and Floyd worked together in a business to make/distribute fake money, you were asked to provide evidence, but didn't.
- You are showing a lack of judgement in claiming only 8 black people had been killed so far in 2020 by police (lets be honest 2020 isn't normal) while decrying the killing of 1 child at a protest to the killing of GF, which you have used to directly discredit the BLM movement, despite the BLM organisation having nothing to do with organising or attending that protest.
- you have ignored the totalitarian and prevocational use of force by the Police and feds which has stoked much of the violence, you have ignored that anger that people in the black community feel at decades of abuse, police harassment, lack of punishment for police brutality and murders etc.

Black americans have tried the peaceful approach, many of them still are, but of course some peoples anger will boil over, anyone that has witnessed systemic racism in the US, can only have empathy with the people that are treated like absolute worthless dirt on a regular basis.
 
And you never did give me proof that the cops and the kkk have been killing thousands of black people..
are you denying that over the decades that both the police and KKK have killed many, many people?
https://www.essence.com/beauty/essence-staffers-share-their-quarantine-beauty/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

what are you gonna post next, did the nazi's not gas the Jews and Britain should have turned the other cheek and peacefully protestors hitlers brutality because violence in response to oppression is always wrong?
 
are you denying that over the decades that both the police and KKK have killed many, many people?
https://www.essence.com/beauty/essence-staffers-share-their-quarantine-beauty/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

what are you gonna post next, did the nazi's not gas the Jews and Britain should have turned the other cheek and peacefully protestors hitlers brutality because violence in response to oppression is always wrong?
Of course the police have killed many people, but it’s framed that they are targeting only black people for minor crimes. There is no context on what they were killed for, I can’t speak for decades of police killings but just in this 2 month period I’ve seen video of every police killing and ALL of them were justified other than Breonna Taylor. It is a FACT that year on year more whites are killed by police than any other ethnicity in America.

And regarding George Floyd he actually died of cardiac arrest, not from the cop on his neck. Yes it didn’t help matters and was in humane police work. However Floyd had been resisting arrest for 10 minutes, he had already been in the back of the cop car saying he can’t breath, most likely because he was in heart failure another factor would have been the high dose of fentanyl in his system at the time. The guy was off his face.

If BLM has nothing to do with that protest, why were the people who formed the road block stood there chanting Black Lives Matter?

Also are you seriously comparing a career criminal dying whilst yet again being arrested to an 8 year old girl being shot in cold blood simply because her family were most likely scared and wanted to get away?
 
Of course the police have killed many people, but it’s framed that they are targeting only black people for minor crimes.
Nope, no it isn't. But the odds of being arrested, beaten, or murder by a cop are significantly higher in the US, if you are black. This trend is repeated every single year, never changing. Now you can say, meh, about it if you want, you can try and excuse it if you want. But that just highlights why protestors are angry and take their own action.

There is no context on what they were killed for, I can’t speak for decades of police killings but just in this 2 month period I’ve seen video of every police killing and ALL of them were justified other than Breonna Taylor. It is a FACT that year on year more whites are killed by police than any other ethnicity in America.
They are simply not all justified, there is never justification for police shooting someone in the back, ever. The fact you think that George Floyds death was either justified or is unimportant because it is outside of your self imposed timeframe, is unbelievable. It is a FACT that there or approx 8 white people for every black person, but the prison system, and brutality and death by police are both disproportionate from this 1:8 ratio in the general populace. You know this already though, so why the dishonesty? On one hand you claim you accept that racism exists, but then you ignore the obvious disproportionate relative suffering at the hands of the police. I don't get it, do you believe the police has a problem with racism or not?

And regarding George Floyd he actually died of cardiac arrest, not from the cop on his neck.
Unfuckingbelievable! You are denying what was right in front of you, I'm not getting into this, but your attempt to claim his death was not the fault of the police is utter BS. The independent autopsy stated that their was damage to his neck. No cop on his neck, and his back and he would not have died that day. That is absolutely undeniable. Shame on you for defending those disgraceful cops.

"However Floyd had been resisting arrest for 10 minutes" -- he was fighting for his life, what the hell is wrong with you?

"If BLM has nothing to do with that protest, why were the people who formed the road block stood there chanting Black Lives Matter?"
How do you become a member of BLM..........?
 
Nope, no it isn't. But the odds of being arrested, beaten, or murder by a cop are significantly higher in the US, if you are black. This trend is repeated every single year, never changing. Now you can say, meh, about it if you want, you can try and excuse it if you want. But that just highlights why protestors are angry and take their own action.


They are simply not all justified, there is never justification for police shooting someone in the back, ever. The fact you think that George Floyds death was either justified or is unimportant because it is outside of your self imposed timeframe, is unbelievable. It is a FACT that there or approx 8 white people for every black person, but the prison system, and brutality and death by police are both disproportionate from this 1:8 ratio in the general populace. You know this already though, so why the dishonesty? On one hand you claim you accept that racism exists, but then you ignore the obvious disproportionate relative suffering at the hands of the police. I don't get it, do you believe the police has a problem with racism or not?


Unfuckingbelievable! You are denying what was right in front of you, I'm not getting into this, but your attempt to claim his death was not the fault of the police is utter BS. The independent autopsy stated that their was damage to his neck. No cop on his neck, and his back and he would not have died that day. That is absolutely undeniable. Shame on you for defending those disgraceful cops.

"However Floyd had been resisting arrest for 10 minutes" -- he was fighting for his life, what the hell is wrong with you?

"If BLM has nothing to do with that protest, why were the people who formed the road block stood there chanting Black Lives Matter?"
How do you become a member of BLM..........?
First go back to my first posts on this matter, someone asked what about BLM I agree with, I said their protests against the police. BUT while it’s true that black people are more likely to be targeted by the police what is ALSO true and backed up by crime stats (Per 100,000 of population) is black men are most likely to commit a crime. So while the narrative can be swung to show blacks are targeted it almost never shows they have more interactions with police because they commit more crime. These black people are not filling the prisons and being arrested just for being black, That is just ridiculous.

I never defended the police or said Floyds death was justified, I said they most certainly played a part in it, but there were other big factors. In the original autopsy they found he had heart disease, Mild pneumonia possibly Covid 19 and high dose of fentanyl. It’s interesting that they got the same pathologist who did the JFK and Epstein autopsy’s to give a 2nd opinion.
 
Ask yourself this JL, if black men are most likely to commit a crime is that not an indication of a lack of opportunity, a lack of equality?
OK, it make take years, even generations to change things for the better, but if we don't start to see real change then the inequalities will only become wider and it won't just be ethnic minorities affected, it'll be anyone born into or finding themselves in the poorer sections of society.
The upcoming evictions crisis in the US is going to throw potentially millions onto the streets and it'll be precipitated by both the Senate and Congress being unable or unwilling to extend the aid packages available to US citizens while Covid-19 continues to ravage their country. While it will disproportionately affect black communities, it'll also affect all low-paid workers who are living paycheck to paycheck across all political persuasions. The very fact that some opponents of the rescue package think that $600/week is just an incentive to make people stay at home rather than work only shows how they think of the lower end of society. They'd rather not give them help and instead put them at risk of homelessness and crime which in turn will allow them to demonise a larger part of society and convince the rest that they need to demonise them too.
 

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First go back to my first posts on this matter, someone asked what about BLM I agree with, I said their protests against the police. BUT while it’s true that black people are more likely to be targeted by the police what is ALSO true and backed up by crime stats (Per 100,000 of population) is black men are most likely to commit a crime. So while the narrative can be swung to show blacks are targeted it almost never shows they have more interactions with police because they commit more crime. These black people are not filling the prisons and being arrested just for being black, That is just ridiculous.

I never defended the police or said Floyds death was justified, I said they most certainly played a part in it, but there were other big factors. In the original autopsy they found he had heart disease, Mild pneumonia possibly Covid 19 and high dose of fentanyl. It’s interesting that they got the same pathologist who did the JFK and Epstein autopsy’s to give a 2nd opinion.
Why is that interesting?
 
backed up by crime stats (Per 100,000 of population) is black men are most likely to commit a crime.
Did you really go there? So ask yourself this why do black people get involved more in crime, are they genetically dispositioned to be criminals, are they subhuman with lower ethics? OR maybe, they are oppressed, with low opportunities and are subject to a life of poverty, which leads to crime as a way of life.

If someone were to believe it's the first, they are a filthy racist. If they are the second, they are accepting that american culture is systemically racist, unjust and recurring generation on generation.

Which way are you leaning on this?
 
Ask yourself this JL, if black men are most likely to commit a crime is that not an indication of a lack of opportunity, a lack of equality?
OK, it make take years, even generations to change things for the better, but if we don't start to see real change then the inequalities will only become wider and it won't just be ethnic minorities affected, it'll be anyone born into or finding themselves in the poorer sections of society.
The upcoming evictions crisis in the US is going to throw potentially millions onto the streets and it'll be precipitated by both the Senate and Congress being unable or unwilling to extend the aid packages available to US citizens while Covid-19 continues to ravage their country. While it will disproportionately affect black communities, it'll also affect all low-paid workers who are living paycheck to paycheck across all political persuasions. The very fact that some opponents of the rescue package think that $600/week is just an incentive to make people stay at home rather than work only shows how they think of the lower end of society. They'd rather not give them help and instead put them at risk of homelessness and crime which in turn will allow them to demonise a larger part of society and convince the rest that they need to demonise them too.
so how do you explain the countless amount of black men and women who live perfectly normal working/middle class lifestyles? There are tons of black politicians, black police/police leaders and other positions of power. How come THOSE blacks haven’t experienced this oppression that ‘all’ blacks apparently have to fight constantly?

Is it really a race war or a class war?
 
"First go back to my first posts on this matter", sure:
  • If Trump loses to Biden it would be a disaster not just for the US but for the rest of the world
  • China are behind all the protest against Trump, not people who are angry at his behaviour
  • Watching some videos and memes on twitter for the last 2 months have taught you everything you need to know in an unbiased manner to understand the intricacies of 400 years of racial injustice in the US. Despite Twitter largely being an echo chamber for your own prejudices by the way it works
  • Mark Zuckerberg, the Koch brothers, Donald Newhouse, Charles Ergen and Rupert Murdoch are democrats
  • You don’t believe that Trumps ‘Mail Voter fraud’ claims are a conspiracy theory, in spite of there being absolutely no evidence of anything but negligible levels of fraud
  • George Floyd and Chauvin worked together in a counterfeit money business
  • George Soros paid for George floods casket to go on a tour of america
  • ‘chinese embassy’ - I have no idea what this means, but it was a two word response to a number of known and widely accepted facts
  • You believe the aim of BLM is to get rid of all the police, in spite of even a small amount of digging proves that they want to stop the militarisation of the police and instead put some of that money into social services to address the root cause of crime
  • the left are looney and the ‘left’ is everyone not on the mid to far right that believe in libertarianism, militarised police, and shooting criminals in the back and movements for social equality
  • If you believe in BLM then you are a looney and also believe that 8 year olds should be allowed to have gender altering operations
  • the example of George Floyd being killed is not a good example of police brutality
  • The only tragic case of police brutality and racism is Breonna Taylor, all others are justified
  • Inner city ‘black schools’ have better funding than suburban schools, without evidence
  • black kids are a lost cause and destroy school facilities and equipment
  • Systemic racism doesn’t exist in america
  • The BLM organisation comes out with outrageous things to make people get mad…but without giving any evidence
  • BLM totally destroyed blocks of Seattle
  • BLM is possibly the most racist movement I’ve seen in my lifetime
  • The key source of your information is streams from social media, inspire of the fact that you accept that russia and china are agitators in the social media space….but you are absolutely sure, they are stirring up the BLM supporters and not you
  • A firework is an IED
  • shooting someone in the back is justified if they broke the law, any law
  • you felt the gender and sex of a protestor are an important factor in their protest
  • BLM is funded by George Soros, and they funnel his donations in to the Den party
  • George Soros’s wiki page was updated, so he must be dodgy
  • Soros 30m 4 years ago is both 2% and funding the BLM and funding the Dems all at the same time
  • You indicate that George Soros is a problem, but have refused several requests from several users to say why
  • You claim to be anti racism, and pro equality that BLM are fighting for, but refuse still hate them because some people that say the slogan but are not part of the BLM organisation have vandalised
  • You don’t respect that oppression leads to reaction, and extreme oppression leads to extreme violence
  • You would like to see proof that racists and cops have killed thousands of people over 400 years in the US
  • You believe only 8 black people have been killed by police this year (it’s 111 shot to death plus people like Floyd George who were killed by other means https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)
  • BLM are framing that only black people are killed by police
  • George Floyd died from cardiac arrest through drug taking
  • George floyd was a career criminal, so dying at the hands of the police isn’t really relevant compared to say a long girl dying


Have I missed anything? It's a pretty twisted set of values and opinions to hold to be honest, it's indicative of how modern social media can manipulate people into some pretty crude conlusions about the lack of equality and opportunity in the world.
 
Did you really go there? So ask yourself this why do black people get involved more in crime, are they genetically dispositioned to be criminals, are they subhuman with lower ethics? OR maybe, they are oppressed, with low opportunities and are subject to a life of poverty, which leads to crime as a way of life.

If someone were to believe it's the first, they are a filthy racist. If they are the second, they are accepting that american culture is systemically racist, unjust and recurring generation on generation.

Which way are you leaning on this?
Well no I see plenty of blacks in positions of power and living perfectly normal lives as I said above. I agree plenty of blacks are living below the breadline but where do you draw the line that it’s all the fault of the state or the fault of the individuals? Nobody explains how those living working/middle class lives have over come the ‘oppression’.
 
so how do you explain the countless amount of black men and women who live perfectly normal working/middle class lifestyles? There are tons of black politicians, black police/police leaders and other positions of power. How come THOSE blacks haven’t experienced this oppression that ‘all’ blacks apparently have to fight constantly?

Is it really a race war or a class war?
the handful of black people that manage to escape the poverty of the projects doesn't disprove the existence of the projects. There are only so many people that get the opportunity to get out of those places, you can't say 1 person in this street has got out, so that proves everyone can get out and have a career. There simply isn't enough unbias opportunity for them.

Have you ever stepped foot in the projects in an american city?
 
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