mercury_redstone7
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Thank Christ for the Bomb, brings everything to a stalemate.
Is this the closest we have been to another world war?
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Muttley
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Sadly I can foresee a succession of minor wars as a result of the Russian-Ukraine war. Russia will come out of the war much diminished and other countries within their former "sphere of influence" may wish to distance/divorce themselves from Moscow. We may see a reshaped world order, two "Superpowers" a united European military alliance (possibly no longer NATO) and China with the US as a "Hyperpower". Russia will be a local power but much diminished. This isn't USA post-Vietnam this is Britain post-Suez.
I think that China has seen the failure of Russia as a lesson. They share many of the same weapons platforms and Chinese military technology is largely a development of Soviet tech not a great starting point and they have the very obvious problem of an opposed seaborne invasion across roughly 100 miles of open ocean.
Yeah, I'm sure he does, doesn't mean it will.
I think that China has seen the failure of Russia as a lesson. They share many of the same weapons platforms and Chinese military technology is largely a development of Soviet tech not a great starting point and they have the very obvious problem of an opposed seaborne invasion across roughly 100 miles of open ocean.
Ingleby_Flash
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It reminds me of a great quote from a crap movie where, I think John Wayne, rallying his troops shouts the immortal line “Gentlemen of the Middle Ages we are about to enter the 100 years war”That’s an interesting idea that never crossed my mind before and it sent me on a rabbit hole.
It looks we declared war with Germany (Neville Chamberlains famous Radio broadcast) on 3 September 1939 but it was President Truman who signed Approved and approved a declaration 11 September 1945 which used the Title of World War 2.
Lots of posters on this board have some great thoughts and Ideas that make you realise there are lots of things you didn’t know that you didn’t know.
. It’s all about perspective.
The Ruthsayer
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Not mine 1Finny, I would not have it so. It is that of our world.
sweet_left_foot
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The press can goad me all it likes. I am not taking sides or getting involved.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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This bloke refused to launch a nuclear missile during the Cuban missile crisis. He was one of three aboard a submarine all whose authorisation was required to launch. The US not being a bunch of macho imbeciles had given this burden to the US president. The submarine was being depth charged by the US and was out of contact with Moscow. The other two thought that war had already broken out and wanted to launch. He did not and thanks to that we are still here today. F***ing russians though. This guy may be the only one among them who isn't a total ****.
That wasn't the only time we had a near miss, saved by a Russian taking time to think about it.
Stanislav Petrov: The man who may have saved the world
Stanislav Petrov tells the BBC how a decision he made 30 years ago may have prevented a nuclear war.
www.bbc.com
HolgateCorner
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It also gives the western world a problem with the Ukraine issue.
Who decides when an invasion is ‘good’ or not?
1finny
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Oh, that’s easy
West and our friends are good - we just need to get the rest sorted
newusername
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Given the wider context it was absolutely incredible clear thinking & decision making.That wasn't the only time we had a near miss, saved by a Russian taking time to think about it.
Stanislav Petrov: The man who may have saved the world
Stanislav Petrov tells the BBC how a decision he made 30 years ago may have prevented a nuclear war.www.bbc.com
On 1 September 1983 Russia had shot down a South Korean passenger plane. All 269 people aboard the aircraft were killed including a number of Americans, one of which was U.S. Congressman Larry McDonald.
The US went on high alert & the Russians did too expecting a retaliatory attack.
The doctrine of mutual assured destruction meant notification from the early-warning systems that inbound missiles had been detected, the Soviet Union's strategy was an immediate nuclear counter-attack against the US.
On the 26 September the systems Petrov was manning detected 5 in-bound missiles, he should've reported it, Russia would've (probably) undertaken a counter launch against the US.
There'd be no liquidation, no rise under Rioch, the 1st Wembley appearance, 1st major cup final appearance, 1st major trophy, 1st European final wouldn't have happened & I wouldn't have been there to see them all.
Tragic.
Littlejimmy
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I've read about this before. The systems were fooled by cloud formations or sun reflections off the clouds or something, and this fella decided that an attack of only 5 missiles was highly unlikely. It's kind of terrifying to think that such as mistake could have led to the end of the world. I'd just turned 13 at the time.
Jedi boro
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Yes Had he followed protocol none us would be here now.
Reminds me of the head of SAC (strategic air command) after the second world war in the 50s wrote a letter to the president urging him to allow him to fire first as the stress of losing a nuclear stalemate had caused him to crack up so he figured did it why wait let’s just do it now.
- he removed soon after.
Jedi boro
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That’s why they’ve done it as after this time they have carte Blanche to go in and then say to the UN and wider world well we told them to leave and gave them fair warning etc
or worse declare anyone who stayed as in support of hamas and therefore justifiable military target.
Of course non of it is true but it’s going to be bleak when they go in as largely conscripts not trained and full of hatred and after vengeance.
I read a theory that China might have a pop at taking back outer Manchuria, if Russia spectacularly fail in Ukraine. They still see it as there's, lots of natural resources (fresh water) which they desperately need. Apparently there has been a massive influx of Chinese nationals moving there in recent years.