Is Johnson fit enough to stand trial?

Johnson sadly wont stand trial and if he did would hide behind the mantra of just following his scientific advisors. I think hancock will become a vilified figure with the public and is finished as a politician a bit like blair was with Iraq. hancock will be forever remembered for his false promises on PPE and testing especially with thousands more deaths to come
 
Politics is a circus and within that circus you need clowns and you need a ringmaster, the clowns are the stars of the show, popular, funny, different, irreverent and they do silly things because they are clowns.

The ringmaster, isn’t funny or popular, but efficient and organised, gets on with the job keeps things running smoothly, negates problems or minimises their impact, keeps the show running.

Ringmaster’s know they’re not very good clowns but all too often clowns think because of their popularity they’re going to be great ringmasters...invariably they’re not, they’re just a clown dressed up as a ringmaster.
 
Given the mounting evidence there is, it appears, irregardless of it being public or private an almost absolute absence of "duty of care"
There was abundant examples available that the government was aware of, and had been advised on how to tackle the virus.
They chose not to implement these. Johnson goes AWOL and it's allowed to turn into a catastrof**k due to total incompetence, and lack of decision making
Many more people are going to die due to no action been taken during that initial time period.
It wouldn't be surprising if Johnson didn't reappear, he does have form.
 
American_Mary said:
Politics is a circus and within that circus you need clowns and you need a ringmaster, the clowns are the stars of the show, popular, funny, different, irreverent and they do silly things because they are clowns.

The ringmaster, isn’t funny or popular, but efficient and organised, gets on with the job keeps things running smoothly, negates problems or minimises their impact, keeps the show running.

Ringmaster’s know they’re not very good clowns but all too often clowns think because of their popularity they’re going to be great ringmasters...invariably they’re not, they’re just a clown dressed up as a ringmaster.
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Not sure what you are saying here AM, but I smiled at the analogy. I am assuming that Johnson is a clown who took over running the circus, and turned uut to be a poor ringmaster. Genius my friend.
 
1finny said:
In Wuhan, Spain, France there were ‘no idiots’ because their governments acted in a different way.

As for Johnson and the Party ratings.
It is like being on an aeroplane and the captain announcing there are problems with the plane but I’ll get you out of this. You put your trust in the captain.
After your bumpy landing and the shock, you find the two people flying the plane were actually shagging at the time and in their passion knocked the plane into free fall.
You take a different view then.

On top of that the vast majority of the population will not be affected by death due to the virus or, indeed, the death of a loved one.
Good result then?
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Yes I think you are right, there is almost a fanatical trust of Johnson among a certain section of our society and maybe that will change once the full effects are felt.
I also think China are the scapegoat for the pandemic, so whatever Johnson does or doesn’t do is irrelevant because it’s China’s fault anyway.
Plus a lot of Johnson’s supporters probably live their lives in a hand to mouth way so the concepts of pre-planning or being proactive rather than reactive are not behaviours they identify with.
 
free_pint said:
Ah sorry buddy, seems to be working for everyone else, try it on a different browser?
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Yeah I think that might be it, trying to open it on Chrome on my android.
 

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His head should be on a spike at traitors Gate
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The unfortunate irony is that part of the dithering will have been down to them wanting to protect the economy (see Dominic Cummings alleged remarks about a few deaths being worth it). But of course in addition to the extra lives cost, the dithering means the economy is going to be hit harder than it would have been if they'd acted decisively.

There's a lot to be furious about. The incompetence, the lies, the unnecessary loss of life. And all of it underpinned by a staggering arrogance that they knew best. Better than any other country, better than the vast majority of scientific experts. It's almost Trump like. Yet people are repeatedly taken in by it.
 
"In the Far East the threat was being treated more seriously in the early weeks of February. Martin Hibberd, a professor of emerging infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, was in a unique position to compare the UK’s response with Singapore, where he had advised in the past.
“Singapore realised, as soon as Wuhan reported it, that cases were going to turn up in Singapore. And so they prepared for that. I looked at the UK and I can see a different strategy and approach.
“The interesting thing for me is, I’ve worked with Singapore in 2003 and 2009 and basically they copied the UK pandemic preparedness plan. But the difference is they actually implemented it.”
"The 2016 pandemic rehearsal plan 'Cygnus' predicted more or less what happened, hence it was never released.
Be nice if someone could leak it.
 
Can I ask the same question about smoking.

It's been known since the 20's that smoking kills millions of people, during WW1 they were known as coffin nails.

Should every PM since then be put in front of highest court in the land for not stopping their sale?
 
Same_as_before said:
Can I ask the same question about smoking.

It's been known since the 20's that smoking kills millions of people, during WW1 they were known as coffin nails.

Should every PM since then be put in front of highest court in the land for not stopping their sale?
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Trying to show some sort of equivalence between smoking being legal and the current governments ineptitude is not a good look.
 
why? Surely they are both government decisions that effect life and health ,

We have no idea about the background data that the government receives , it's impossible to make 100% right decisions all the time.
 
Same_as_before said:
Can I ask the same question about smoking.

It's been known since the 20's that smoking kills millions of people, during WW1 they were known as coffin nails.

Should every PM since then be put in front of highest court in the land for not stopping their sale?
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Same as before this argument was used in a different frock a couple of weeks ago - something about reducing the national speed limit to 20 miles per hour to save lives. It wasn't much of an argument then and it isn't now.

If the government banned smoking it would go underground, as well you know. The same thing that happened during prohibition. And this does not even take into account freddom of choice, and taking responsability for those freedoms. Doctors on the frontline have HAD to work with inadequate PPE, as have nurses and careworkers. You're argument is badly thought through and ignores government failings and takes no account of what decisions the genera lpublic are able to take responsability for themselves.

We can't oder PPE, we can't fund the NHS, well you get the picture. Every individual can asses the risk of smoking and make their own decision. Furthermore cancer is not infectious.
 
If you think I think that the government is handling this well, you are wrong.

But smoking would be illegal , full stop. The level of compliance would soon improve.
 
Johnson announced his cull on FEBRUARY 3rd, giving seven weeks to allow the virus to spread before he was forced into a U turn by the Imperial College deaths forecast

"...when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other. And here in Greenwich in the first week of February 2020, I can tell you in all humility that the UK is ready for that role."

from https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-in-greenwich-3-february-2020
 
How people jump on here to defend the indefensible is astonishing...mind, you wouldn'texpect anything less from the " usual suspects"
This story comes from The Times...not the Sun, Daily Worker,The Mail, Express or any of the other tabloids... A world respected paper but if its criticising the Torys its all bo llox....and that stalwart of respectability Gove said so on the tv this morning,so theres your proof !...
They just won't admit whats staring them in the face..the clown Johnson and this government are so inept its almost Trumpesque
 
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