Is Brexit a major cause of the current food shortgages in the UK?

[Redwurzel]

Average is important. I’ve had nights at 6 and nights at -2 in the last 4 weeks. One data point of 4C is meaningless on its own.

22% reduction, I’d like to a) check the validity of that claim and b) see what the Spanish farmers are saying. We know that selling to the Uk is a ballache for them now might not be profitable or viable anymore

Its in a Guardian article and they are quoting a food growers association in Spain that represents 11,000 growers. If anything the sources are likely to be very pro-Spanish growers.

Spanish growers say weather, rising costs and Brexit caused UK salad shortages

Some producers point the finger at temperature shifts and others at bureaucracy and logistics

www.theguardian.com

 

[Redwurzel]

It's why we have the tomato plant at Cowpen Bewley. Carbon Dioxide comes cheaply as a bi product of ammonia and there's plenty of steam lines to tap into, just one required in this case.

Waitrose used to sell a Teesside Tomato Soup with some of those tomatoes.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Waitrose used to sell a Teesside Tomato Soup with some of those tomatoes.

They didn't sell it round here though, they wouldn't open a shop in Teesside.

 

[Redwurzel]

Interesting article in the Guardian about how UK producer and supplier is supplying fewer tomatoes.

The good news is that market energy costs are coming down and producer no longer have to pay 60p/hour above the minmum UK wage for workers coming on Visas.

The company say they have a plant in Middlesbrough, so the local workers should now be paid as much as imported workers.

But it will take time to work through.

As it is implied UK retailers and the general public are not willing to pay more for their food.................but they have for dairy products?

‘We have to pay more for food’: Britain’s biggest tomato farmer on the runaway costs of growing

Soaring costs from light and fertiliser to pickers and packaging led APS Group to leave one in 12 of its glasshouses empty last winter

www.theguardian.com

 

[Redwurzel]

They didn't sell it round here though, they wouldn't open a shop in Teesside.

CC - Incomes are too low on Teesside I would guess, move to Newcastle or York.

 

[Malaguena]

Ref Spanish temperatures - just checked today and Google told me Madrid is now 8 degrees and was 0 degrees at 0800.

I know Madrid in is inland and it will be slightly warmer on the Coast this time of the year.

In Madrid, it will always be a lot colder in winter and a lot hotter in summer than down here - it's because of its location on the central plain

As I type - 17:37 - its 15C here and clear blue skies

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

CC - Incomes are too low on Teesside I would guess, move to Newcastle or York.

Too low in Newcastle too by all accounts.

 

[Redwurzel]

There used to be a big Waitrose in Eldon Square - I am sure there isa significant number of well paid professional jobs in central Newcastle. Waitrose are no fools.

 

[Redwurzel]

In Madrid, it will always be a lot colder in winter and a lot hotter in summer than down here - it's because of its location on the central plain

As I type - 17:37 - its 15C here and clear blue skies

Nice temperature - do you know if retired Brits there still get the Winter Cold weather Winter allowance?

 

[SmallTown]

Ref Spanish temperatures - just checked today and Google told me Madrid is now 8 degrees and was 0 degrees at 0800.

I know Madrid in is inland and it will be slightly warmer on the Coast this time of the year.

Where I live in England it is currently 10 degrees. Surprised me that it was colder in Spain , must be the Gulf Stream.

Tomatoes will need a lot of assistance to grow at 8 to 10 degrees.

Interesting how you're still trying to deflect by commenting about the Spanish weather, even after we've pointed out it's irrelevant. I must admit you're a fascinating study in how to deny an event. You work so hard to try and get people to ignore the failures of brexit. Kudos to you. Sadly all you work gets undone when someone wants to travel to Capri or buy a tomato. I genuinely admire the amlin of effort you put in to trying to deny brexit failures. I'd be fascinated to know what is driving you

 

[SmallTown]

. The most controllable one was brexit

This is the thing that the brexit deflectors are trying to avoid isn't it?

They'll mention the weather, Putin, COVID, or all the myriad things making our lives worse. They'll if ore the fact there is nothing we can do about two of them, very little we can do about the other. Whereas we could fix the brexit failings. I honestly wonder what is wrong with these people. They know brexit has failed. Hence the effort to deflect. Why? Why would they want our country to be worse?

 

[coraldon]

NO, Tory policies are.

 

[Wez68]

As above I heard it was weather relate

Just saw a riot in Morrisons.



Two lesbians fighting over the last cucumber.




A classic updated for modern times

Careful , your bound to upset someone on here with that

 

[r00fie1]

 

[The Ruthsayer]

Careful , your bound to upset someone on here with that

I know numerous Lesbians. None of them like cucumbers. Or pseudo-c0cks for that matter. Never mind, let’s keep perpetuating those ignorant stereotypes.

 

[Redpete]

This is the thing that the brexit deflectors are trying to avoid isn't it?

They'll mention the weather, Putin, COVID, or all the myriad things making our lives worse. They'll if ore the fact there is nothing we can do about two of them, very little we can do about the other. Whereas we could fix the brexit failings. I honestly wonder what is wrong with these people. They know brexit has failed. Hence the effort to deflect. Why? Why would they want our country to be worse?

This is the thing that the brexit deflectors are trying to avoid isn't it?

They'll mention the weather, Putin, COVID, or all the myriad things making our lives worse. They'll if ore the fact there is nothing we can do about two of them, very little we can do about the other. Whereas we could fix the brexit failings. I honestly wonder what is wrong with these people. They know brexit has failed. Hence the effort to deflect. Why? Why would they want our country to be worse?

how do you explain the similar shortages that we are experiencing in the Republic of Ireland if it's down to Brexit?

 

[ThePrisoner]

how do you explain the similar shortages that we are experiencing in the Republic of Ireland if it's down to Brexit?

How much of Eire imports still come via GB?

 

[Wez68]

how do you explain the similar shortages that we are experiencing in the Republic of Ireland if it's down to Brexit?

If its not Brexit , it must be the Tories obviously ............

 

[BoroMart]

You work so hard to try and get people to ignore the failures of brexit.

whatever metric anyone uses, brexit has been a failure. IF the Success Factors were to resolve the immigration issue, it's failed, illegal immigration is higher than ever. If it was to kick start our trade, it's failed, the economy is in tatters. If it was to return sovereignty to parliament, then that has failed too as this government have proven that parliament isn't fit to ensure that governments are honest not corrupt, this government is working on behalf of pressure groups from Tufton St, and by installing numerous puppet PMs against the will of the public, it isn't a functioning democracy.

Brexit is a failure.

 

[BoroMart]

I imagine brexit did cause some issues, but realistically no party wants to go near brexit and it’s not going to be reversed

It will, but probably not for at least 10 years now. Once opinion polls reach about 65% in favour, or if the economy keeps tanking then the position will pivot