I'll be really pleased but it won't change the prediction.
You have to win a lot of games for top two.
What if we get beat 1-0? Will that suddenly make me right? No. The season will sadly prove that one right.
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I'll be really pleased but it won't change the prediction.
You have to win a lot of games for top two.
What if we get beat 1-0? Will that suddenly make me right? No. The season will sadly prove that one right.
festa5
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The team Carrick predominantly used until January (taking us from 4th bottom to just outside the play-offs) was:
----------------Steffen-----------------
Smith-------Fry--------Lenihen------Giles
Jones------Howson-----Hackney----McGree
---------------------Akpom----------------
---------------------Forss------------------
Now obviously if Akpom goes that's a massive hole to fill.
But as it stands, from that side we've only lost Steffen and Giles. Steffen already replaced.
Yes we need to add to that if we're serious about promotion. But I also don't think it's quite as bad as some make out. We still have a good core. And we will add to that.
----------------Steffen-----------------
Smith-------Fry--------Lenihen------Giles
Jones------Howson-----Hackney----McGree
---------------------Akpom----------------
---------------------Forss------------------
Now obviously if Akpom goes that's a massive hole to fill.
But as it stands, from that side we've only lost Steffen and Giles. Steffen already replaced.
Yes we need to add to that if we're serious about promotion. But I also don't think it's quite as bad as some make out. We still have a good core. And we will add to that.
TeaCider
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If you're going off when we signed players in January, it was actually in to the play-offs, not just outside of them, that was our league position after beating Birmingham 3-1 on the 2nd of January, and that was before we'd signed anybody.
We then beat Millwall in the next game, which took us up to 4th, though Archer did make a little cameo after we'd scored the winner.
Why do you have be a member of the “… rose tinted spec brigade” to take issue with the premise of the thread started on June 15th which suggests that we will “struggle” next season?
We don’t know what the team will be a week on Saturday so it’s very difficult to make an assessment of how strong we are until the transfer window closes.
A few weeks ago people were very pleased with the new signings. Giles we apparently haven’t bid for, that tells me one of two things we either couldn’t afford him or didn’t want him at that price.
Why can’t we have a positive outlook on things?
We have the manager still in place from what I saw last year he was the most important signing we made.
coluka
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You don’t, It was a response aimed toward the particular poster I was replying to only and his implication of mass bed wetting.
The fact I predicted it, was due to looking at the 'macro' picture.
The 6 signings were well received as 'future prospects'.
I could be wrong these kids could do it/ we get a bunch of class signings via loans before the deadline BUT the macro doesn't support that thesis.
I'd like to be wrong more than anyone.
I actually worry that some of the tactics displayed by MC during our incredible drop in form suggest he is far from proven. Unlike the Messiah status granted to him by 100% of the board.
The 6 signings were well received as 'future prospects'.
I could be wrong these kids could do it/ we get a bunch of class signings via loans before the deadline BUT the macro doesn't support that thesis.
I'd like to be wrong more than anyone.
I actually worry that some of the tactics displayed by MC during our incredible drop in form suggest he is far from proven. Unlike the Messiah status granted to him by 100% of the board.
coluka
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He’s not the Messiah, he’s bigger than that
Caesium137
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And Smith? And Bola and Mowatt from the bench?
allied_assault
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As it stands but if we strengthen in the right areas then ……
festa5
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Smith? Because he's injured I assume.
And if you're talking bench players well ok we've lost Bola and Mowatt, but they barely featured in that run. And we've since added Barlaser and all the summer signings....
LaPennaBianca
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Incredible drop of form is just hyperbole.
We've had this argument earlier in the thread, so won't rehash.
newyddion
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we won’t be starting the season with the current squad as it is.
LaPennaBianca
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Have you watched the match?
Ultimately, saying we'll do terribly is just cowardice. If we do well you can enjoy victory, if we do poorly you can say you were proven right. It's hedging your bets, not 'being realistic'. Luxuriating in setbacks and writing off new signings is easy, not the mature and sensible POV it's subscribers think it is.
The evidence points to the fact that we have improved the squad but not improved the first team. There are still two weeks, we have a left back back up option. Archer and Ramsey remain nowhere near the villa first team and nowhere else on loan. Carrick remains a man who turned out form around last season.
coluka
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I wasn’t saying we would, just merely pointing out that currently it is a fair way off being a top 6 side never mind a top 2. It is entirely feasible we wont get our quality in until several games in though, lets not forget that, fine margins and all that, but every point counts as we know.
"Ultimately, saying we'll do terribly is just cowardice"
Talking about what's you believe is going to happen next season should be banned on a football forum.
Quite possibly the most over dramatic thing I've ever read on here and I've seen some crazy things.
No one has said anything about being terrible either. You've not actually added anything to the thread other than 'You can't possibly say at this point' (that's why it's a prediction), bo debate, no counter points.
Talking about what's you believe is going to happen next season should be banned on a football forum.
Quite possibly the most over dramatic thing I've ever read on here and I've seen some crazy things.
No one has said anything about being terrible either. You've not actually added anything to the thread other than 'You can't possibly say at this point' (that's why it's a prediction), bo debate, no counter points.
coluka
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Who has said we’d do terribly? I haven’t!!
Carrick has stated the aim is top 2 not play offs, lets not forget that. Hedging bets, do me a frigging favour and grow up. I ALWAYS call it as I see it with my own eyes and knowledge thanks, whereas you just call hope and optimism as realism with no knowledge of how they’ll blend. If you think we are currently set up for a top 6, let alone the aim of top 2 you are off the scale.
We have not improved the squad from last year at all, we may have come 1st September, but not yet, far from it. From whats appeared so far we are 44 goals down and 20 assists. Akpom we have no knowledge of whether he’ll definitely be here or even if he is whether he will score anywhere near last season as his creators will be different even if he is. The proven quality is not there yet. Some of the newbies are decent prospects, but to expect them to do what Ramsey, Akpom, Archer and Giles did last season is ridiculously hope filled not fact based. Not sure what the Carrick comment was for, nobody is criticising him or his ability in any way, it appears to me that you’re just trying to plant false seeds of your misinterpretation and misjudgement in readers minds regarding views on Carricks abilities.
I am sure these signings will blend and produce in seasons to come, but this one expecting top 2 with what we currently have is for the birds, we are not banging the goals in in pre season, I have seen nothing to suggest we will be as prolific as last season as yet, have you?
LaPennaBianca
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If you cared to read past something that was half as hyperbolic as your pearl clutching, you'd see that I'd offered lots of counterpoints - we've improved the squad, we have a pre-season with Carrick, we have a good recruitment dept who have earned our faith.
But you ignored them while using buzzwords like macro and 'your own analysis'
EDIT: where did I say it should be banned?? You've got upset at something you've made up in your own head. Seems that you're keen to be the only one allowed to be opinionated.
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LaPennaBianca
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I've not seen a single game yet - so you're right, I haven't seen anything.
But I do know that we now have options from the bench from the new lads - all of whom improve what we had last year which was... Nobody.
I would have liked Archer, Ramsey and Giles back in June. I'd have liked Chuba to commit, but these things aren't complete.
We will get people in, we didn't get Archer and Ramsey in until January.
Just seems mad that people are doing the I told you so business when we've not kicked a ball.
Ravshoutsatbeck
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It is the championship - a couple of niggling injuries at the start of the season can completely throw things.
I personally think the main problem during the run in was options to change things when we were struggling. I think the players we have brought in give us options.
We are trying for a sustainable long term plan - so we have to take chances on finding good young players for decent value. If they come off we could challenge for top 2 if they don't we could be struggling to make the playoffs - that is just the way it is going to be.
Our post Carrick run of form before the loan signings of Archer/Ramsey was the same as the run after they signed (Although they were a big aspect of allowing us to maintain that form).
I personally think the main problem during the run in was options to change things when we were struggling. I think the players we have brought in give us options.
We are trying for a sustainable long term plan - so we have to take chances on finding good young players for decent value. If they come off we could challenge for top 2 if they don't we could be struggling to make the playoffs - that is just the way it is going to be.
Our post Carrick run of form before the loan signings of Archer/Ramsey was the same as the run after they signed (Although they were a big aspect of allowing us to maintain that form).
coluka
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Nobody is doing the I told you bit. You are assuming that people will if it all goes pear shaped. You need to try to distance yourself from thinking what peoples motives are, they are usually just opinion, thoughts, fears and concern. Come 1st September we may be set, we don’t know. We can only go by what we do know, and thats not a lot as all the signings bar Dieng is an unknown not just individually, but collectively too. We all want the same thing, Boro promoted.
The new players signed are largely untested in our league. The players we lost were real quality and all were creative or goalscorers and Akpom is up in he air in more ways than one. When you are missing the quality of Archer, Giles and Ramsey and it hasn’t yet been replaced, it is wrong to say we have improved the squad. It really is currently weaker, Come Millwall we may be starting from a position of losing 44 goals and 20 assists which I have already said is massive when the aim is top 2.
I am certain we are working to bring in quality, but so will the monied boys relegated and newly promoted. I would not be surprised to see Archer and Ramsey loaned or signed elsewhere to equally good teams with more money, I hope not but if they are we will bring in other better talent hopefully than we currently hold and indeed have lost.