If we sack Carrick and appoint a new manager before the international break.....

I get that you aren't keen on Scott. But this poor run started back in April, when we had a wealth of talent in the squad (presumably who Scott takes credit for bringing in).

Personally, I reckon there could easily be something in the McGree thing and, if there is, I have no idea who is right/wrong if anyone is.

When these kind of football fiascos occur there are usually several folk to blame.
I don't think Scott does get much credit for that squad. We were so good because of Akpom, who Scott had nothing to do with, Ramsey and Archer were definitely due to the link with Danks, Hackney who Scott had nothing to do with and other pre-Scott players like Howson, Fry & Crooks. Forss was good as a winger but Scott signed him as a striker. Scott gets credit for Giles, Steffen, Lenihan and McGree but he's also gets the blame for replacing Tavernier with Mowatt, Muniz, Hoppe, Barlaser, Boyd-Munce etc.

Don't forget that the squad Wilder had at the end of the transfer window was nowhere near what he wanted and that is down to the recruitment team. No amount of Carrick coming n and working miracles with it makes up for the terrible job they did. Also, the majority of those good signings were loans which we had to give back at the end of the season.

The football wasn't exactly great under Leo, but he did steady the ship and put Hackney into the team. Whether or not that was solely his decision I don't know, but it helped massively.

I think the problem we have now is that we only have one way of playing and teams know exactly how to stifle us. We need to be more flexible and not make it so easy for the opposition at times.
This seems to be a fixture of ours in recent years. Having one way of playing and that is it. We don't seem to ever have the flexibility to change things as needed and I think we are worse for it. This should be what makes a good manager, being able to adapt and change things around to get the best out of your resources. It's alright having an ideal system for your ideal set of players but how often do you ever get to play your first choice XI without having injuries or suspensions somewhere. Unless you are better than everyone else you should be playing differently every week to account for other teams strengths and weaknesses. We never did that under Wilder, it was his single magical system or nothing, but I thought Carrick being a bit more considered would have different approaches to different situations. If he does we aren't seeing it implemented effectively which is a worry. We have lots of options with players, so we should have options with formations/systems. Against Blackburn they had runners up the middle all game and we didn't stop them. We should have spotted that and changed something to make sure we closed that off but we just watched it happen on repeat.

My biggest reservation when we appointed Woodgate was that he wasn't bright enough to be able to analyse situations and adapt to them and it proved to be the case. I didn't expect Carrick to be the same but maybe he is and not having someone alongside him better than Woodgate that can see those things might be an issue.
 
I don't think Scott does get much credit for that squad. We were so good because of Akpom, who Scott had nothing to do with, Ramsey and Archer were definitely due to the link with Danks, Hackney who Scott had nothing to do with and other pre-Scott players like Howson, Fry & Crooks. Forss was good as a winger but Scott signed him as a striker. Scott gets credit for Giles, Steffen, Lenihan and McGree but he's also gets the blame for replacing Tavernier with Mowatt, Muniz, Hoppe, Barlaser, Boyd-Munce etc.

Don't forget that the squad Wilder had at the end of the transfer window was nowhere near what he wanted and that is down to the recruitment team. No amount of Carrick coming n and working miracles with it makes up for the terrible job they did. Also, the majority of those good signings were loans which we had to give back at the end of the season.


This seems to be a fixture of ours in recent years. Having one way of playing and that is it. We don't seem to ever have the flexibility to change things as needed and I think we are worse for it. This should be what makes a good manager, being able to adapt and change things around to get the best out of your resources. It's alright having an ideal system for your ideal set of players but how often do you ever get to play your first choice XI without having injuries or suspensions somewhere. Unless you are better than everyone else you should be playing differently every week to account for other teams strengths and weaknesses. We never did that under Wilder, it was his single magical system or nothing, but I thought Carrick being a bit more considered would have different approaches to different situations. If he does we aren't seeing it implemented effectively which is a worry. We have lots of options with players, so we should have options with formations/systems. Against Blackburn they had runners up the middle all game and we didn't stop them. We should have spotted that and changed something to make sure we closed that off but we just watched it happen on repeat.

My biggest reservation when we appointed Woodgate was that he wasn't bright enough to be able to analyse situations and adapt to them and it proved to be the case. I didn't expect Carrick to be the same but maybe he is and not having someone alongside him better than Woodgate that can see those things might be an issue.
not having someone alongside him better than Woodgate that can see those things might be an issue.

YEP
 
Either Scott has recruited really badly.
who do we play at right back.. or left back
Or Carrick has lost the plot.
why are we playing a flat back four when we don't have fullbacks?
Or it is a bit of both.
I think it's a bit of both and a bit of everything, injuries, players not puling their socks up..
Of course Scott's recruitment could turn out well and of course Carrick might get a tune out of them.
we have good players..
But if I was going to put my money down it would be behind the England international player, schooled under Ferguson, who had us playing the best football in 15 years plus.
Rather than a nobody from Norwich who has had 4 windows now to put his mark on things.
#4Realz
 
I don't think Scott does get much credit for that squad.
Well ok, fine, but this poor run started in April, when we had better players in the squad. I don't think its simply the case that we used to have good players and now we don't, there was a time when players were running through brick walls for Carrick. They don't appear to be at this moment in time. Why that is, who knows.
 
I don't want Carrick sacked. What he did last season was nothing short of incredible after Wilder's tenure.

What Wilder did after Warnock was brilliant.

And Warnock’s after Woodgate was brilliant.

It’s a recurring theme which suggests it isn’t the managers. It always seems to fall apart in the summer.

(I mean, aside from Woodgate. Who was just dreadful)
 
What Wilder did after Warnock was brilliant.

And Warnock’s after Woodgate was brilliant.

It’s a recurring theme which suggests it isn’t the managers. It always seems to fall apart in the summer.
Carrick after Wilder
Wilder after Warnock
Warnock after Woodgate
dare I say Pulis after Monk.....

But yeah you're right, we seem to always start seasons with a feeling that the new squad is crap, before a new manager comes in and gets it up the table a bit.
 
Carrick after Wilder
Wilder after Warnock
Warnock after Woodgate
dare I say Pulis after Monk.....

But yeah you're right, we seem to always start seasons with a feeling that the new squad is crap, before a new manager comes in and gets it up the table a bit.

We’ve been banking on that new manager bounce for far too long now, problem is in the past we’ve had players capable of turning it around.

This time I’m not so sure.
 
First eleven is weaker, squad maybe a bit better. But certainly, better than bottom of the table. We should be able to hold our own around mid table. Big game tomorrow. If we lose to both Wednesday and Southampton, alarm bells will be well and truly ringing!
 
Carrick after Wilder
Wilder after Warnock
Warnock after Woodgate
dare I say Pulis after Monk.....

But yeah you're right, we seem to always start seasons with a feeling that the new squad is crap, before a new manager comes in and gets it up the table a bit.
We won’t go Agnew after Karanka or even Monk after Agnew.

The truth is Pulis has the exact same record as Monk.. with more money snd the players bedded in/up to speed.

Woodgate was given a very different job to other managers.. going all the way back to Mowbray.

Warnock had a fresh set of eyes, he kicked Gestede to the curb and went back to basics. Something we could do with now.

Alan Knill’s system suited Neil Warnock’s squad to the ground when fully fit. Some fantastic experience in the squad with Peltier and Bamba that did a lot of the super captain type leg work for the big games.

Carrick took over a rejuvenated squad from Leo Percovich and was able to his the ground running with the squad already prepared for what was coming.

How many players have had the pre season? The 17 game warm up?

Who comes in to cut out the dead wood? Who has the fresh eyes? The long methodical analysis of the squad? Wilder had the chance, Carrick had the chance.

Worse come to the worse.. the next manager will have those advantages also.
 
Carrick will come good probably not here, he doesn’t have the tools to do so. My gut feeling tells me he won’t be sat in the dugout this time next season, every season it’s the manager wilder flirted with the Burnley job and wasn’t his intentions to here long term. He was backed in the summer awfully, Scott left us with hoppe and Munoz and crooks to score goals. Akpom was with the u21s nobody and I mean nobody think he’d break his way back into the side and did what he did. Nobody. January was the only successful window he’s had. And I don’t think it was really down to him. I think our poor form will continue but I think little is down to carrick think he’s the man to take us forward but I feel with our poor form lack of confidence sadly one nails in his coffin
 
He is an honourable professional.
Ten times the man Chris Wilder will ever be.
You won't see him putting up signs saying I am here if you want me Mr Burnley.
If it continues as it is I think he will leave by mutual agreement.
And it really will be mutual agreement not sacked.
It wouldn't surprise me if he even helped the club find a suitable replacement.
I just hope we don't do to him what we did to Neil Warnock.
 
Carrick won’t be sacked…

He might walk though, and who could blame him as he’s been totally shafted and his reputation is being trashed.

Sad really
How has he been totally shafted and his reputation trashed? And please present some facts and evidence to back up your extreme claims, rather than just a 'he must have been , look at the squad he's got'' etc.
So hard evidence rather than just more chicken licken the sky's falling in nonsense please.
 
How has he been totally shafted and his reputation trashed? And please present some facts and evidence to back up your extreme claims, rather than just a 'he must have been , look at the squad he's got'' etc.
So hard evidence rather than just more chicken licken the sky's falling in nonsense please.
I think there is an expectation that every manager in the football league is seething, Brian Clough style, with their chairman if they don’t get the players they want in a transfer window. I suppose we’ve had it with Karanka, Warnock and Wilder so there is a bit of previous here.

As I’ve said elsewhere, if I was a football owner in the modern game and/or DoF, I’d be making it absolutely clear to any “head coach” that their remit is not to worry about who is or isn’t on the playing staff. Your job is simply to get whoever’s at the club playing well, even if it’s just a bunch of 18 year olds. Then it would be up to me to make a judgement call on how well I could expect him to do with what I’ve given him.

It may well be the case that Carrick doesn’t walk and doesn’t get sacked because everyone is already working to these terms of reference.
 
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