If we sack Carrick and appoint a new manager before the international break.....

newyddion said:
Carrick knows the score. We can’t turn that amount of money down for a one season wonder with one year left on his contract.
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Exactly. It would be pretty weird if he thought we were going to hang on to him tbh. We all knew he was going. Sure, ELL and the other newbies don't look as good yet, but unfortunately these things don't always work out straight away.
 
newyddion said:
Carrick knows the score. We can’t turn that amount of money down for a one season wonder with one year left on his contract.

The changes to the team have been forced through injury.. some have been very last minute. Only takes one straw to be pulled for the marbles to fall.

He’s young and he’ll make mistakes.. not every responds to quiet and methodical.. certain players need a kick up the ****.

If we go 3-5-2 with the players available we should be able to outclass Sheff Wed and get 3 points in the table.
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3-5-2 was the problem with Wilder. Carrick changed it and it worked wonders. It seems he is sticking with his 4-2-3-1 formation and just hoping (and praying no doubt) that it clicks. Its a risky game.
 
uncle_rico said:
a load of players a new manager doesn't want.
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I think fans need to get out of this mentality though. Surely, any new 'head coach' would be well aware of the players they're getting and well aware that it wasn't their job to recruit players in future transfer windows, or to moan if any new signings don't look very good at first?

Its perfectly feasible that this was made very clear to Carrick when he joined and, hence, why he isn't complaining about the players we've lost in the media. If your job is simply 'get the best you can out of any players we can bring in' then all this talk of being 'let down' etc is futile, he won't be judged by that by the club's hierarchy.

If you're a coach of a junior football team, you just make the best of what you've got. Maybe its the same philosophy.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think fans need to get out of this mentality though. Surely, any new 'head coach' would be well aware of the players they're getting and well aware that it wasn't their job to recruit players in future transfer windows, or to moan if any new signings don't look very good at first?

Its perfectly feasible that this was made very clear to Carrick when he joined and, hence, why he isn't complaining about the players we've lost in the media.
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The next manager or head coach - whoever it is and whenever they arrive - must surely be a continuation of philosophy from the current one regarding playing styles, etc? It would be someone who wants to play out from the back, through the midfield.

If the next one is Pardew or Warnock or John Beck 2.0 then you really do know we’re in trouble.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
The next manager or head coach - whoever it is and whenever they arrive - must surely be a continuation of philosophy from the current one regarding playing styles, etc? It would be someone who wants to play out from the back, through the midfield.

If the next one is Pardew or Warnock or John Beck 2.0 then you really do know we’re in trouble.
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Woodgate..........😉
 
uncle_rico said:
There's a lot of talk of unrest within the clubs and/or squad. Something is going on, and McGree appears to be central to it. If there is any truth in it, it will only go one way
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There was talk that he was getting sold to Man Utd in the summer.. very bizarre.

More weird transfer talk continued and then we see him left out of a starting line up..

Hmm.. weird.

Seems like a decent fella.. can’t imagine him being a chunt.

Ramsey came in and took his place, Silvera came in and took his place..

McNair was told he could leave.. until
Tommy Smith got injured. Dijksteel hasn’t been seen or heard of.. Coulson has disappeared.

Coburn was going out on loan.. now not so much.

Easy to see how uncertainty could grown and create a bit of.. Assombalongaitis

I could see a fair few players moving in January..

Dijksteel
McNair
Howson
Barlaser
Coburn

Three loan spots.. minimum of three players being shipped out imo. McNair, Barlaser & Coburn

Unless there are any MLS gems to pick up I can’t see permanent transfers coming our way.

If there was anything in the McGree transfer rumours he may well be off in January.
 
uncle_rico said:
There's a lot of talk of unrest within the clubs and/or squad. Something is going on, and McGree appears to be central to it. If there is any truth in it, it will only go one way
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That’s what happens when you put a wombat in amongst a bunch of meerkats!
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
The next manager or head coach - whoever it is and whenever they arrive - must surely be a continuation of philosophy from the current one regarding playing styles, etc? It would be someone who wants to play out from the back, through the midfield.

If the next one is Pardew or Warnock or John Beck 2.0 then you really do know we’re in trouble.
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Carrick with Steve Round?
or
Woodgate with Neil Warnock?

6 games in.. flatlining

11 games 10 points - Wilder’s Point
16 games 17 points - Leo’s Curve
17 games 22 points - Warnock’s Wave

do we need a bit of Leo chest beating.
 
newyddion said:
Carrick with Steve Round?
or
Woodgate with Neil Warnock?

6 games in.. flatlining

11 games 10 points - Wilder’s Point
16 games 17 points - Leo’s Curve
17 games 22 points - Warnock’s Wave

do we need a bit of Leo chest beating.
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The football wasn't exactly great under Leo, but he did steady the ship and put Hackney into the team. Whether or not that was solely his decision I don't know, but it helped massively.

I think the problem we have now is that we only have one way of playing and teams know exactly how to stifle us. We need to be more flexible and not make it so easy for the opposition at times.
 
Either Scott has recruited really badly.
Or Carrick has lost the plot.
Or it is a bit of both.

Of course Scott's recruitment could turn out well and of course Carrick might get a tune out of them.

But if I was going to put my money down it would be behind the England international player, schooled under Ferguson, who had us playing the best football in 15 years plus.
Rather than a nobody from Norwich who has had 4 windows now to put his mark on things.
 
indeedido said:
Either Scott has recruited really badly.
Or Carrick has lost the plot.
Or it is a bit of both.

Of course Scott's recruitment could turn out well and of course Carrick might get a tune out of them.

But if I was going to put my money down it would be behind the England international player, schooled under Ferguson, who had us playing the best football in 15 years plus.
Rather than a nobody from Norwich who has had 4 windows now to put his mark on things.
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I get that you aren't keen on Scott. But this poor run started back in April, when we had a wealth of talent in the squad (presumably who Scott takes credit for bringing in).

Personally, I reckon there could easily be something in the McGree thing and, if there is, I have no idea who is right/wrong if anyone is.

When these kind of football fiascos occur there are usually several folk to blame.
 
uncle_rico said:
3-5-2 was the problem with Wilder. Carrick changed it and it worked wonders. It seems he is sticking with his 4-2-3-1 formation and just hoping (and praying no doubt) that it clicks. Its a risky game.
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I can see the sense in doing that.. you want everyone to be singing from the same song sheet when everyone is fit and up to speed.

But when everyone doesn’t come back and we’re throwing newbies into an entirely new system anyway..

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.. but Carrick must have known how long Smith was going to be out for.. how long Dijksteel would be out for and the risk of them not being ready or able to deliver a consistent number of games.

We need a bit of Warnock into the situation..
he had Carrick’s number straight from the off.
 
I think Gibson's reputation will he improved if he gives Carrick every opportunity to turn things around.

Relegation would be disastrous, but it's still very early in the season.
 
I hope we keep Carrick, but he has to get us out of the relegation positions, because it will a much harder task getting us up out of the third tier than will keeping us in the Championship.

If in a couple of months time we are still looking like a doomed side I can see Mr Gibson investing a few million quid in Neil Warnock’s undoubted know how.
 
uncle_rico said:
Maybe, and I agree it is a cut and thrust league, but to have fallen so sharply off a cliff in such a short space of time is not the norm for this league. It appears that our problems started at the back end of last season and have just manifested to what we are seeing now. We are in free fall and its really difficult to get out of. We don't have any new ideas to change it and are just hoping that something clicks. I want Carrick to stay, because he has shown that he can be a good manager playing good football, but ultimately it will be him that is changed and we are no further forward as a club with a load of players a new manager doesn't want.
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Agreed.

We have been poor for some time before the start of this season, that can’t just be erased.

We fell off the cliff last season, not this one and it would appear that nothing has been done to improve the situation.
 
Huddersfield away last season was the point at which things broke. Pretty much scuppered autos - us and shef u went in different directions after that - and the foot came off the gas and we didn’t recover / haven’t recovered.
 
Mwelolo said:
Agreed.

We have been poor for some time before the start of this season, that can’t just be erased.

We fell off the cliff last season, not this one and it would appear that nothing has been done to improve the situation.
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Yes, we were flying last season while there was no pressure and then just fell out of the sky. You can put that down to a rookie manager with potential making some mistakes. But also, there was an issue beforehand of him not getting his reserves up to speed before the end of the season so when fatigue, injuries and loss of form hit, we didn't have an answer.

This season, Carrick has clearly been dealt a weaker hand but he's played it about as badly as you can imagine. Mowbray has a far weaker hand at Sunderland and is showing how to play it.

At the moment, no one at the club is coming out with any kind of credit. All we can hope that although this is a severe dip it will also prove to be a short one. To be precise, it is already a long, severe dip but you could argue that it is two different dips; end of last season and beginning of this one.

Lose tomorrow and the club can't just keep on acting as if it's just a temporary issue with no need to address it. Sacking Carrick is not the answer but if we lose tomorrow with no signs of improvement then I don't know what the answer is.
 
Bruce said:
This season, Carrick has clearly been dealt a weaker hand but he's played it about as badly as you can imagine.
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I'm fully behind him but I think this is hard to argue with. Even if the frontline has been weakened (McGree and Forss are still here), the rest of the XI is basically the same. Not being up in the top 4 is one thing, but being down in 24th with one point is another.

I suppose Giles is the other big loss, but Dieng has impressed me.
 
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