Evil
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That's not what I meant, I meant educated themselves about each party and what policies represented them.
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That's not what I meant, I meant educated themselves about each party and what policies represented them.
jam69
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sadly the " couldnt vote for corbyn or Abbott " is quite common its the xfactor thinking, many would struggle to name any polices they are standing on and to be fair they are just not interested in politics. quite often voting to make themselves worse off.
but quite simply it was brexit wot won it, or in labours case lost it.
many not really interested in politics normally, were in brexit and they rightly or wrongly saw labour as blocking brexit. leavers were happy to turn from blue to red, but remainers who were blue couldn't bring themselves to switch in any great numbers.
whilst on paper is admirable to vote on local issues, its national issues that change peopkes lifes, a fairer tax system will have a much bigger impact on the area you live than a local MP opposing say planning permission in your area ( thats not to trivialise local issues) but personally i think because the way our political system is.
i would vote on national polices at a general election and leave local issues for council elections where they can make a difference.
but quite simply it was brexit wot won it, or in labours case lost it.
many not really interested in politics normally, were in brexit and they rightly or wrongly saw labour as blocking brexit. leavers were happy to turn from blue to red, but remainers who were blue couldn't bring themselves to switch in any great numbers.
whilst on paper is admirable to vote on local issues, its national issues that change peopkes lifes, a fairer tax system will have a much bigger impact on the area you live than a local MP opposing say planning permission in your area ( thats not to trivialise local issues) but personally i think because the way our political system is.
i would vote on national polices at a general election and leave local issues for council elections where they can make a difference.
boromike85
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That is very similar to me. I also disliked New Labour (not just because of the war stuff) because while I think the good they did by investing in public services was offset by cosying up to big businesses and the rich still. Hence the red Tories moniker. I liked Corbyn's more traditional policies that concentrated on the workers as a Labour party should. Corbyn's biggest problem was his image and his past unfortunately.
SmallTown
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Why does it sound selfish?
Nero
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I struggle to understand people who can vote Conservative given their ruthless austerity programme. They have deliberately made poor people's lives worse. They have devastated Social Care by cutting Local authority budgets.
They followed this up by unnecessarily dragging this country from the EU.
They followed this up by unnecessarily dragging this country from the EU.
Malaguena
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And this was entirely down to Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Momentum etc etc - their supporters might be blind to it, and argue that it's wrong, and throw insults around to anybody who disagrees, but they were and are unelectable in the UK
Don't shoot the messenger
Skirmish
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Well said mate
hopesoboro
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You don't seem to know much!
Yep, that pretty much is the case for me, I was absolutely ripe for the picking by Labour having only ever voted Tory and lib dems in the past. I'm just the sort of easy target Tory voter who was also a remainer that should have been a gift for labour, but, and I understand the policy over person argument, I simply could not live with myself putting my cross in the red box, they were totally unelectable so didn't win me over. I don't want a leader whose dominant feature is simply to oppose, not lead, and the party were just too far to the left for me
Starmer now has plenty of time to shuffle toward the middle with some policy I can get on board with and once more, I will be ripe for picking
Chris_Boro
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I voted Labour.
Anyone can vote for any party, I dont care its their choice. I do care when that choice makes them lose all ability to think critically, or indeed think for themselves.
Anyone can vote for any party, I dont care its their choice. I do care when that choice makes them lose all ability to think critically, or indeed think for themselves.
SmallTown
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Neither do you. Why is it selfish that I voted on local issues?
SmallTown
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Brexit is a single issue, and my frustration comes from me only have one single brexteer explain a reasonable reason for it yet many of them bang on as if it's a great thing.
I've explained, more than once, why I voted the way I did. Hope has just decided to ignore that and carrying on trolling anyway. Sad little man.
ticker_tape
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When you ask someone to approach terrorist organisations from both sides to put down their guns and hate you cant use MPS who are rank party men/Women..that comes later.
The mere fact that a well known Parliamentarian like say Michael Hesletine or Paddy Ashdown would talk to murderers etc wouldnt sit well with voters or reflect well on Parliament.
However we do have people who can do that sort of dirty work as they are sort of removed from the gaze and are hardly known outside of their own patch.
They can do this sort of work, do the cow towing, visiting people and places they really could do without but need to get people around a table and others would be hated for it , and as for the others they cant and wont.
These sort of people like to be peacemakers and sometimes get involved with Palestinians as well as the Irish. After gaining their trust they then hand them to the political superstars to get the job boxed off and take the glory.
Sometimes MPs who can do this work for military intelligence and get dirty jobs done....Thing is they also take the flak from those that didnt know while other political dark arts use what looked like terrorist sypathies to there advantage.
I thought Corbyn was silly after doing all that then want to lead a political party in his old age, should have stuck to helping make peace.
I voted Labour not because of some love of being pro commie or anything as daft sounding, but because Labour would fund education, NHS, help the disabled and not make a partialy sighted bloke in a wheel chair have his income severely reduced.
Me Ive been lucky Ive always had a job and not short of a few bob to get bye, and so have my children.
Its good to look at the big picture not to get a quick to bob for myself.
I do have a few Tory mates, greedy buggers the lot of them and always will be.
The mere fact that a well known Parliamentarian like say Michael Hesletine or Paddy Ashdown would talk to murderers etc wouldnt sit well with voters or reflect well on Parliament.
However we do have people who can do that sort of dirty work as they are sort of removed from the gaze and are hardly known outside of their own patch.
They can do this sort of work, do the cow towing, visiting people and places they really could do without but need to get people around a table and others would be hated for it , and as for the others they cant and wont.
These sort of people like to be peacemakers and sometimes get involved with Palestinians as well as the Irish. After gaining their trust they then hand them to the political superstars to get the job boxed off and take the glory.
Sometimes MPs who can do this work for military intelligence and get dirty jobs done....Thing is they also take the flak from those that didnt know while other political dark arts use what looked like terrorist sypathies to there advantage.
I thought Corbyn was silly after doing all that then want to lead a political party in his old age, should have stuck to helping make peace.
I voted Labour not because of some love of being pro commie or anything as daft sounding, but because Labour would fund education, NHS, help the disabled and not make a partialy sighted bloke in a wheel chair have his income severely reduced.
Me Ive been lucky Ive always had a job and not short of a few bob to get bye, and so have my children.
Its good to look at the big picture not to get a quick to bob for myself.
I do have a few Tory mates, greedy buggers the lot of them and always will be.
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ticker_tape
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Its also nice to make people take a look inside, no matter how much they wriggle.
Paterson
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I'd always assumed that you were a Tory Evil, so your revelation isn't much of a surprise. I agree with you though about putting people in a box over a single aspect of their character. I've got friends who are Tories, not many mind, and they are decent people on the whole. Selfish I'd say in that they have no concern for the poorest in society, but most have redeeming features that allow me to stay friendly with them.
I suppose Brexit also shows the peril of putting people in boxes. It's hard to see Skinner and Gove been aligned on much else in their views although on the other hand its surprising what common ground exists when you move away from politics. I'd like to imagine them meeting up after work for a knitting session or to discuss their beer mat collections.
It's hilarious that people are still pretending Corbyn was some pernicious dangerous threat to the country. He was blatantly the better option as a Prime Minister. Genuinely I can't take anyone seriously saying they voted tory based on the leaders of the two main parties. Boris, hiding in fridges, showing up to armistice day in a state, refusing to be interviewed by anyone more serious that Schofield and Willoughby... get real.
I've got tory voting mates as well ofc. I presume everyone has, that's life. Had a good chat with one of them around the election time. After a few pints he essentially told me his vote was entirely based on inheritance tax. Fair enough, at least it's honest.
I've got tory voting mates as well ofc. I presume everyone has, that's life. Had a good chat with one of them around the election time. After a few pints he essentially told me his vote was entirely based on inheritance tax. Fair enough, at least it's honest.